73 SRV 220 no start blues

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Hello all, new to this forum and have a few electric problems with my boat. Ive had a few smaller, simpler boats in the past, but this is my first bigger boat and it has many features I am unfamiliar with, but am learning. Ive been researching past posts on many different subjects and the search feature is a fountain of usefull advice, but please indulge a few tech questions that are somewhat covered partly in past posts, but I am still reading most previous posts as well.<br /><br />Recently acquired a 1973 Sea Ray 220 I-O that I cant seem to get the engine to turn over and start. 188 HP v-8 engine is clean with what appears to be virgin unhacked wiring in the engine compartment. Unfortunately, the under dash wiring is a terrible mess of splices and crimp-on terminals that have to be seen to be believed. What terminals are visiable at the fuse blocks are a mess of jumpers and corrosion, and I plan to replace the fuse blocks with new clean connections. It is easy to advise that I should carefully trace everything before removing, but I have reason to believe that the current wiring arrangement COULD be incorrect.<br /><br />Right now, the boat has two good fully charged batteries with a selector switch under one rear seat in the battery area and what looks to be a brand new 3 terminal, 3 position ignition switch mounted in the dash. Near this brand new switch is a loose red wire with white stripe and this has a eye similar to the three wires attatched to the starter switch and kinda looks like it should be attatched near, due to the similar slack of the other wires, but there isnt an unused terminal on the starter switch, so Im debating whether this new 3 terminal ignition switch is the proper one for this model, or should there be a 4 terminal ? Maybe this red w/white stripe wire should piggyback on one of the terminals ? On one of the switche's contacts is an obviously new RED wire that runs to the rear and connects to the left post of the two small posts on the solenoid between the large battery posts. Playing with a meter, the red wire with white stripe always has power regardless of the key's position, but the other three wires do not have any power. I wish I had the schematic for the key switch so I would know which post is what, and Im baffled by what the new red wire to the solenoid is there for.<br /><br />When I turn the ignition switch to start cranking the engine, nothing happens. Regardless of the position of the ignition switch. Anyone know what the function of the two small posts on the solenoid are for ? Knowing this may help me figure out the mess and what I need to repair to get this boat engine fired up. I guess I was wondering exactly what I need as a minimum to just start the engine and hear it run before I begin reworking the underdash wiring fiasco. <br /><br />The engine looks to be Ford with a separate solenoid and as I remember from my youth, it was possible to "jump" the solenoid but as this is a boat, I defer to the more experienced members of this forum for advice before I burn anything up. There are six or seven various ground wires attatched to one of the solenoid mounting bolts and all Ive tried so far is to remove all of these and sand the end terminals bare and remounted to confirm proper grounding.<br /><br />If I can provide any other data to assist, please advise as I am anxious to verify that this electrical nightmare actually will run. The boat itself is in decent shape, solid floors, nice features, but the hacked wiring has me intimidated due to the volume of mish-mash.<br /><br />Thanks !
 

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Re: 73 SRV 220 no start blues

Was able to spend a few hours under the dash today and cleaned up quite a bit of the mess by charting everything and I carefully removed the fuse block and cleaned up all the terminals, most of which were badly corroded. There were also a few duplicate curcuits that were confusing, but previous bad connections were at fault for these and proper cleanup got these removed and corrected. While doing this, I labelled everything for future reference, took copious notes, and was also able to eliminate a few obviously dead "add-on" problems that went to old stereo area, missing VHF radio,etc, and looking over the newly cleaned up region, I must confess that it isnt as bad as I was crying about last night. <br /><br />I can now see the original intent and although there are still many crimp-on terminals in sight, their purpose and direction are now visable, thus future cleanup with properly soldered connections may not be as difficult as I first suspected. I still want to start the thing up and hear her run, but I suspect the solenoid wire that has been added and connected to the ignition switch is the cause of the no start blues. <br /><br />What allows the engine to start ? I am thinking that an exciter wire from the ignition key switch activates the solenoid and lets power go to the starter, but what exactly causes the engine to shut off ? I have searched for solenoid wiring schematics before wasting forum members time, but cant seem to get the solenoid situation firmly grasped.<br /><br />Any help/comments would be greatly appreciated
 

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Re: 73 SRV 220 no start blues

Hey Loader, welcome to iboats.<br />See you are a couple hours up the road from me.<br />Let's get this over to the I/O forum to see if we can get you some answers.
 

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Time to get out the voltmeter and start making measurements. <br /><br />Start with your ignition switch to verify you are even getting power there and then go from there.<br /><br />Because of the wiring uncertainty, be aware that just because you measure voltage at a point, doesn't mean it will still have that voltage there when the circuit starts drawing current. You may have some resistive connections.
 

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I have the same boat, year & size.....<br />It wont crank or it wont run?..<br />If it won't crank try this.... Courtesy of Don S <br />I would clean all the battery & solenoid/starter connections first.....<br />If it wont run, do you have 12V @ the + side of coil with the key in the "run" position?<br />Hope this helps....Welcome to iboats, BTW :) .......JK
 

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SBN, thanks for the move(s) !. I was tryin to get it moved at the same time as you, but I ended up putting this in the wrong area (again) and after you placed it here...BAM!, I got excellent responses. Thanks for showing me courtesy and affording me dignity when Ive made an a$$ of myself by not following pre-established and well posted guidelines regarding placement.<br /><br />Bruce, if this rain ever stops, I will heed your advice with meter, and I wont be surprised to discover further corrosion and/or bad curcuits. As reported above, the new ignition switch has an unpleasant air of trouble about it and the new wire + old unconnected wire has me wary. <br /><br />Haut Medoc, wow, what a great link to a very helpfull piece. Many of you probably already know these troubleshooting techniques, but as a newbie to electric nightmares & boats, it is a very good read and has opened up a few possibilities for me to explore if this @#$% rain would ever stop !<br /><br />Thanks all !
 

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Re: 73 SRV 220 no start blues

welcome to Iboats. Loader, need to know, are you mechanically minded or a wanna be. Taking on a boat that you have not heard or seen running, obvious electrical problems, and who knows what else, might be more than most (short of 3 or 4) of us would tackle. How long has the boat been sitting? I know I'm sounding like an a$$, but hate to see someone up the creek, I mean over their head in something 33 years old.
 

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I am mechanically inclined, very handy with tools, and have tackled bigger projects before, just not in the boating area. The boat was used up untill last fall and isnt in bad shape for its age. The electrics need cleaned up, but the remainder is solid and looks good. I can agree with you about the 33 yr old possibility of being a time (and cash) eater, but I have luck with projects similar to this and I am confident that she will be slapping the water soon. Ive had a few friends try to tackle obviously losing propositions with cars, boats, campers, etc, and I will admit that I have no appetite for repeating their mistakes. Thanks bama for being kind and looking out for my interests as with the abundance of rotten boats in this area, many BIG projects are started with good intentions, yet never finished ! <br /><br />Another day of rain prevents me from playing the electric-boy but Im hoping to fire her up this weekend and Ive found an identical ignition switch at a shop and have now identified the switch terminals, so this mess has a good chance of being straightened out soon (hopefully!)...
 

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Re: 73 SRV 220 no start blues

Today broke with crisp bright sunshine and with yesterdays information, I jumped right into the fray and corrected the WRONGLY wired new ignition switch, plus a handfull of under-dash splices & dead-ends. Twisted the key and she fired up after a second or two of cranking over to a fast idle ! After a few mins, it settled into a nice low rpm purr and I guess that this means that the factory choke is worked as intended. I must admit that it was reassuring to hear it run as I bought it on faith (cheaply !) that it did, indeed, run. With ther ignition properly connected and turned on, all guages appear to function with the exception of the vacum guage, but Im sure this can be fixed as well. One of the two horns is burnt out. and the front nav lights arent yet working, but everything else electrical now performs and I am focusing on the I-O lower outdrive unit. The prop is chewed up a bit and Im wondering if there is anything I need to check to confirm proper operation ?<br /><br />Thanks all for the help - great forum !
 

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Re: 73 SRV 220 no start blues

THere is a LOT to check out on the drive before it hits the water.<br />ASSUMING it's a Mercruiser, I would suggest pulling the drive and checking the bellows for signs of water (RUST) check the gimbal bearing and ujoints as well as the alignment. <br />Change the gear lube and if you have no idea how old the raw water pump impeller is, replace it.<br />Put a good prop on it, you will need it for the post that may come about low WOT rpms when you head for the water.<br /><br />Former "Clumbus" resident.
 

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Congrats on starting the boat Loader. Hope you had it on the "muffs" when you fired it up? Does the vacuum gauge look factory installed. Never seen one in a boat. Vacuum gauge not working, make sure it's not leaking meantime, Vacuum leak=burnt valve?
 

Haut Medoc

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Glad ya got it running! :) <br />Do what Don S says, make sure you grease the u joints while you have the drive off.....<br />Check the wire lead....<br />The vacuum sender is right behind the fuel pump, check the connections.....<br />I have a vacuum gauge, too .....<br />Very handy!<br />Much as everyone likes to bash Ford, the 888 is a strong, reliable set-up, if properly cared for.....<br />Replace the prop., 14.25D x 17P (stainless) is what I run.....<br />Good luck with her!....JK
 

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Yep, had a "stethescope" on the unit before I started it up and after it fired, the lower shot water out of the top holes so I feel better that the pump functions. Ive been reading (during the NEVER ENDING rain)about the different mercruiser outdrive models and I must confess that I dont know which one I have so I can concentrate my efforts on researching. The unit has "Mercruiser outdrive" on a plastic emblem mounted top center and I found the number 3796890 stamped on the left. The boat is a 1973 SeaRay 220 188hp. Is it possible to I.D. this unit with such little information ? I like the idea of a thorough servicing of the unit before I hit the water to eliminate possible problems and from what Ive read, replacing / major rebuilding is lotsa $$$$
 
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