74 Evinrude Carb Question

alumacraft74

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I got a 74 rude 25 hp 25402 that I have posted about before with idling issues.I noticed the other day that the Throttle Shaft has alot of slop in it ( alot of play in it).Does the throttle shaft tend to wear in these cause I cant find a bushing for it,just the shaft? I'm thinking its sucking air through the throttle shaft and causing alot of my idling issues.Any info would be appreciated. Thanks, Chad
 

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Re: 74 Evinrude Carb Question

I don't think it could be sucking so much air that it could not be compensated for using the idle mixture screw and the minimum rpm adjustments.
 

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Re: 74 Evinrude Carb Question

If it is really sloppy, yes it will affect the idle. It's just so unusual to find them that loose in an outboard.
 

Bindernut

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Re: 74 Evinrude Carb Question

If it has a lot of play in it, then yes a worn throttle shaft can cause low-speed and idle problems. I've seen it many times on the vintage sled motors I work on (Mostly Tillotson and Walbro carbs...very similar to the carbs used on your engine). Basically it'll run lean at idle, giving it sneezing or dying problems. As the engine vibrates, the shaft jiggles around and causes a variable air leak that can be darn near impossible to tune out.

Take a can of carb cleaner and spray the outside of the carb where the shaft goes through the body. If you hear a change in RPM or tone, then it's leaking enough to cause problems.

No, your carb doesn't have shaft bushings, but if you have a good machine shop in your area they can probably fix it for you by drilling the carb body and installing some bronze bushings. Hopefully the brass throttle shaft isn't worn too badly, they are trickier to repair. You'll need to braze some material to build it up and then turn it down to the original size on a lathe. Not real hard to do but requires a gentle hand and you can warp the shaft when brazing it so you might have to spend some time truing it up afterwards.
One particularly rare Tillotson I rebuilt, the shaft was worn so bad I had to make a new one. Did the replacement out of stainless rod. That rebuild will outlast me.

Once that's done, that carb will be good for much longer than the 23 years it's gone so far.
 

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Re: 74 Evinrude Carb Question

Bindernut, that is some kind of loose.
 

darrklim2

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Re: 74 Evinrude Carb Question

Its not recommended to spray carb cleaner into the carb when it is on the motor with a two stroke engine it can and will wash the oil off of the cylinder walls. Just what I have been told.:D
 

alumacraft74

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Re: 74 Evinrude Carb Question

thanks Bindernut,I can get a new throttle shaft for bout 55.00.Its awful loose so i'll try the carb cleaner trick and not use alot Darrklim2 :Dthanks again guys,I'll get back with ya afterwards
 

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Re: 74 Evinrude Carb Question

Its not recommended to spray carb cleaner into the carb when it is on the motor with a two stroke engine it can and will wash the oil off of the cylinder walls. Just what I have been told.:D

A little shot or two while troubleshooting vacuum leaks won't hurt em. I've been doing it for 20 some years with no ill results. Now if ya use a healthy blast of it as starting fluid...yeah, that'll kill a 2-cycle. I've rebuilt several sled motors that the previous owners used carb cleaner as starting fluid.

Reload,
All it takes is a few thousands of an inch to create a big vacuum leak on a small carb like these. Plus, I'm pretty picky at times...especially if I'm building up a vintage racer. It sucks when you burn down a rare engine.
 

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Re: 74 Evinrude Carb Question

thanks Bindernut,I can get a new throttle shaft for bout 55.00.Its awful loose so i'll try the carb cleaner trick and not use alot Darrklim2 :Dthanks again guys,I'll get back with ya afterwards

That's not too bad of a pricetag. If you're lucky, most of the wear is on the shaft and you won't need to bush the carb.

Have fun!
 

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Re: 74 Evinrude Carb Question

Carb cleaner is a bad idea period. It will remove lubrication from your bearings. If you must use an aerosol to find leaks, try WD40. At least it's a lubricant. Better yet, put some premix in a spray bottle.
 

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Re: 74 Evinrude Carb Question

Carb cleaner is a bad idea period. It will remove lubrication from your bearings. If you must use an aerosol to find leaks, try WD40. At least it's a lubricant. Better yet, put some premix in a spray bottle.

As I noted in my reply to Darkklim, the little bit used in finding a vacuum leak ain't gonna burn down your engine...or wash out the bearings enough to cause any damage. Using it as starting fluid however will. It kinda goes hand-in-hand with the bunk theory that ethanol blended fuel is a no- no for two-cycles too. A steady diet of E10 gas or a tiny bit of carb cleaner when troubleshooting isn't going to damage your engine.

WD40 or premix won't give you the "sound" to pick up on those small leaks.
I grew up down the road from a Ski-Doo factory sanctioned racer and factory trained tech. Bought my first two sleds from him and spent many hours working with him rebuilding and tuning old Rotax engines before he retired from it and I took on his hobby business. This was one of the tricks I learned and it's been working for me for years. I know it works and hasn't damaged any of the engines I've worked on. Not looking to start a flame war here. I respect your knowledge iwombat and have gotten good info from your posts but on this I stand by my original post.
 
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