76 Reinell Resto UNDERWAY~!!!

[shallowgrave]

Re: Opinions on a project..

Re: Opinions on a project..

Well i started cutting the fiberglass near the bow this evening and stirred up a hornets nest i had no idea was there. A quick trip to ACE and a can-o-spray later I think theyre all dead. Ill head back out in an hour and try to strip out some more and look deeper into the boat. At least Im sting free!

 

[shallowgrave]

Re: Opinions on a project..

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hey heres a question, i was planning on doing all this while on the trailer, but if i start pulling deck and foam and find rotten stringers, should i be standing in the boat? reason i ask is sense tells me no, but i see a ton of pictures of rot in various places that looks like the photographer was in the boat.

 

[scca vette]

Re: Opinions on a project..

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ahhhh those photos bring back memories when I was at that point. I went throught the exact same thing you are doing and this forum was a big help. Do some surfing around on here of other peoples rebuilds and you will learn a lot real fast.

When you start getting discouraged and think it will never be finished, again look at the photos of what others have completed on here. It is good motivation.

Good luck with the build and keep the photos coming!

 

[lvl]

Re: Opinions on a project..

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Hate to say it but most times the floor is that bad you should look at the transome too. Most likely it will have some rot too.

Other posts I have seen here they take the boat off the trailer and make some kind of cradel out of wood so the hull wont get out of wack. I think those are restos that they pull the cap off the boat though. Just something I've noticed crusing the forum. I'm sure someone here can tell you more about the cradel thing.

 

[shallowgrave]

Re: Opinions on a project..

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Ok, trying to figure this thing out, finally got the engine out today and its rebuild will start soon. But i need to start looking into the hull structure first i think. Now, in the last photo you can clearly see just in front of the engine where the deck is missing, the giant foam block underneath. The top 3 inches is dry (PROBED WITH A DRILL BIT IN A FEW SPOTS), but i dont care its coming out anyway because i want to see underneath anyway. To the left of that foam block is a beam thats covered in glass and is prob 6-7 inches wide. Now that all the decking is gone i can tell there are two running the length of the boat and two more that box in two giant foam blocks perpendicularly. According to a few other floor resto posts, my stringers are probably beneath this fiberglass cap correct?

 

[Triton II]

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Are these my stringers and can i check them by drilling into them a few holes as well?

Probably, and yes. SG, take a couple more photos and post them up just to make sure. You can drill into your stringers with an 1/8 drill - any darker colouring in the drilled out wood is damp and/or rot. If she's dry and solid you can fill the drill holes with epoxy. Looking at your floor I'd say she's almost bound to need new stringers unless they've been well glassed in from new. Other guys on the forum have run new stringers against the stubbs of the old then glassed the lot - check out West Texas Republic's resto thread for some pics on how to do it. Best of luck with the boat, she's an absolute steal even if every inch of wood is rotten. Cheers,

TII

 

[shallowgrave]

Re: 76 Reinell Resto UNDERWAY~!!!

ok finished cutting up the floor and found something i didnt expect, what am i looking at, some type of fiberglass framing. Underneath this capped framework is just foam that i can see. In all the resto pages i have read no one mentions anything like this, im going to start removing the waterlogged foam soon and ill leave this in place till i figure out what the heck it is that im looking at..

 

[shallowgrave]

Re: 76 Reinell Resto UNDERWAY~!!!

So the two boxes of foam in the boat that are visible in the overall picture are gone/pulled, I have found 0 wood and I am at the glass hull. Is it possible that there is no wood stringers here? If that's the case then should there be?

 

[shallowgrave]

Re: 76 Reinell Resto UNDERWAY~!!!

Screw it, I went for it. I have the entire hull cleaned out to a husk. Foam removal actually wasnt all that bad with a 5' prybar. I am currently waiting for tomorrow to take some better pictures since i ran out of light.
Ok, on to the wood. The only wood that exists on this boat are a few pieces of plywood strips glassed to the floor, not one of them is more than 18" long and none of them are inter locked. Ill replace them and may even add one or two more in some areas I think could use it just outside the bilge area. Also, the engine mount crossmember is only 2x4 stacked and glassed down. It makes the figure 8 box seen below and is only 4' long and is glassed up to the transom. AH- Transom drill test passed wonderfully, no rot-go figure, i marked the holes so i can go back and fill epoxy.
So the long beams of glass that run the length of the boat are just that, glass with foam underneath. And they are poorly glassed at that.
Picked up lumber today as well, furring to replace the plywood strips along the hull- they of course were toast. And 1"x10"x12' (sounds like a lot but the hull was that far from the original deck- i measured 4x) to build a form to pour in the new foam against. I will build two stringers the length of the hull that was removed and glass them in. since they werent there originally i figure adding the support cant hurt and isnt adding a ton o weight. The red here is the 1x10 and the orange will be the new 2x for the engine support.

Also, bought 3 sheets of acx and they are currently drying out for use on the deck.
Since the wood wasn't originally there and im really only looking to seal it up i planned on glassing it with 2 passes of 18oz woven roving-Horrible idea? i cant see why but im not the expert and it would save a lot over 1708 -since by my estimates id need close to 15 yards of 50" material that i could split in two strips for each side.
So, off tomorrow to buy some PL, guess ill buy the most expensive tubes i can find since i cant tell which one ill need. And ill start the sanding and grinding and hull prep (thank God for Tyvek suits) in order to get it ready to start goin back together.
How am i doin so far?

 

[shallowgrave]

Re: 76 Reinell Resto Help Needed~!!!

Re: 76 Reinell Resto Help Needed~!!!

Been working on the boat a ton and have no camera to post pix with right now, my last one dumped on me. I have all the foam and fiberglass out. The whole hull is prepped. I have built a stringer "ribcage" (even though none originally really existed- mius the terrible fiberglass attempt from the factory).
I have backed up a few thin spots where the hull has hit bottom with some 1708 tape. It looks good so far. The reinforcements are curing tonight the veil will go on the exterior side in the morning. I have ordered the rest of the glass for the stringers cage, oh and i did end up replacing the transom after removing the old bilge glass and finding the bottom 40% wet. BTW, I am heartbroken to learn that my 280 is power tilt only not trim when I pulled it.
So, glassing the stringers and transom is next and I have a bit of experience with automotive glass and have read everything I can here on the subject and am not too intimidated. The task that has me worried now is the foam replacement. I havnt found a great guide on this art yet, am i missing one. Basically the cavity that will be filled is the whole bottom portion below the decks minus what is displaced by the stringers. Since pretty much the only thing hlding the boat together originally was the foam I will use 4lb density. How do I estimate what I need to buy. US composite 4lb foams 5 gal kits say they will fill approx 20 cubic feet. Im filling 12' long 10" deep and approx 6' at the beam. Can that really equal out almost 40 cubic feet or am i missing something. How can it be that I will need 10 gal of this junk. I think i understand the math but no one i have heard of using this has needed 1/4 of that. To anyone with experience, does this sound right?
Ill try to get a new camera or borrow one for pix tomorrow.

 

[pcmpete]

Re: 76 Reinell Resto UNDERWAY~!!!

Just saw your thread, I too am restoring a Reinell, a T180 tri hull, it had a merc 470 in it but will be changing out to 302 motor with volvo outdrive. When I removed ALL the foam I put it in trash bags and brought to local landfill and it weighed approx 600lbs
The transom and the wooden part of the stringer are rotted. I am currently looking for alternative materials for making the transom from, as it is only 24"x 24".
I know what you mean about replacing foam, it will make alot, I am slightly better off than you as my hull is only 17' and I have a hugh 35gal tank in the belly which takes up a lot of space between the stringers. I was considering not putting any foam back in but I think it is needed for strength.

Good luck

 

[Triton II]

Re: 76 Reinell Resto UNDERWAY~!!!

How do I estimate what I need to buy. US composite 4lb foams 5 gal kits say they will fill approx 20 cubic feet. Im filling 12' long 10" deep and approx 6' at the beam. Can that really equal out almost 40 cubic feet or am i missing something. How can it be that I will need 10 gal of this junk. I think i understand the math but no one i have heard of using this has needed 1/4 of that. To anyone with experience, does this sound right?
Ill try to get a new camera or borrow one for pix tomorrow.

12 feet by 6 feet by 10 inches equals 60 cubic feet. Looking at your pics, are you sure the foam pockets in the hull are that big? Also, there are resto threads on here where foam has been laid onto plastic sheeting then sealed so firstly it shouldn't get waterlogged, but secondly, if it does, it is easy to pull out. One example of this is BobGlasstream?s thread, have a look here:
http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=357690
TII

 

[shallowgrave]

Re: 76 Reinell Resto UNDERWAY~!!!

Finally home after another tour in Afghanistan and ready to get back to work. New stringer pix will be up tomorrow. But Im still stuck on the foam issue. The overall length i need to fill is the aforementioned 12' at its widest the deck is 6' and at its deepest the hull is 10" to the bottom of the v-hull, i realize the hull has steep sides up to it meets the deck and cuts out quite a bit of that last volume calculation. Does anyone have any tips or ideas on how to get a better estimate? I just need a SWAG to order the most appropriate kit for float foam and Im trying not to kill the bank account by ordering way more than i need. Any help appreciated.

 

[Cadwelder]

Re: 76 Reinell Resto UNDERWAY~!!!

Start with a 16 pound kit....mixing properly is the most imporant. Get one of those little mixing stems for your battery drill. (made for mixing paint). When you mix the two parts ( a & b) stir it for about 15 seconds with the drill and then pour...it will expand much more when mixed thoughly. You'll have some waste when you first start out, but you'll get the hang of it. Just remember you can pour more over the exisiting, so better to be a little shy of what you need rather than wasting a bunch from running over.

 

[reinell76]

Re: 76 Reinell Resto Help Needed~!!!

Re: 76 Reinell Resto Help Needed~!!!

did you ever find any literature on this boat i just got one like and and cannot find anything

 

[pcmpete]

Re: 76 Reinell Resto Help Needed~!!!

Re: 76 Reinell Resto Help Needed~!!!

did you ever find any literature on this boat i just got one like and and cannot find anything

I have been looking for nearly two years now for info on my 1978 Reinell. Still no luck.