8 HP Johnson Carb

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Was cleaning carb. on 1990 8 HP johnson I found a rubber o-ring on the idle mixture screw.It was at the bottom end of the spring and was pretty much deformed. The exploded view does not show this . does it belong and why would someone put it there.Thanks.
 

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Re: 8 HP Johnson Carb

motor.jpgOK the o-ring was at bottom of spring next to the plastic carb housing.
 

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If there was a air leak around the threads (not allowing the needle to adjust the air mixture) this would be a way of correcting the leak. On the earlier models where the needle came in from the front, there was a similar style of seal used.
 

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Thanks,also this motor looks like it got hot.head & exhuast covers discolored. I found I was getting water in cylinders mostly the bottom.I replaced head & exhuast gaskets both were in bad shape.It will run good sometimes then out of the blue I have to play with the choke just to keep it running.I checked the compression 120 on both, my question if I am still getting water in there can I rule out the head gasket? Can water get in there other than exhaust . The plug looks brownish greasy .The only way I could clean it was carb cleaner.Thanks
 

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If it got hot, the head may be warped, so even a new headgasket may not totally cure it until you clean up the head's surface. You could do this by placing the head on a hard flat surface on top of 100 grit emery paper & do figure eights with the head, by doing this you should be able to get it close.

No other way that I am aware of for water to be getting in other than a head gasket leak, or cracked head which is very unlikely.

Kind of sounds like you may have a carburetor problem. And that carb is pretty easy to work on, but if you have any debris inside it, crazy things happen.

PS, what is the 6 digit number on the top of your plastic carb top?
 

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436316--Thanks for your help .This thing is getting to me. I thought 3 or 4 times that I had it fixed only to go back later and it would go goofy again,btw i have another head and exhaust cover housing off a drownded motor.
 

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Me again I looked this plastic cover up and found out it is not the right one so what do I do now? There is a new old style on E Bay .Will it work 86 model I believe. The adjustment screw is in front and has a fitting coming out of the bowl. Thanks
 

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You might have a air leak in the fuel system. This could be ANYWHERE a connection is made up to the fuel pump. If it is leaking behind the pump, you will see it. Playing with choke or fuel primer bulb to keep it running is idicative of fuel problems. Next time as it starts to die, pump the fuel bulb. If it straightens up look at the fuel pump.

The reason I wanted the carb top # is it looks like a replacement & that # is not listed for your motor. My guess is that someone had problems prior to you & made some changes, that may be why the O-Ring was there. Also with the top off, look at the gasket, is it sealing good? Maybe the $4 price of a new gasket #0334043 would be worthwhile.

Sometimes changing parts at least eliminates guestimated good/bad ones.

One reason I asked for your top # is in my leeroysramblings, I need a good photo of just that top as I am redoing my carb article. On the earlier tops that idle adjustment scew came in at an angle rearward, not at 90 dergrees as your shows.
 

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I found that this top is for a 1993 20HP EE. I dont know if it has ever ran well on this motor or not but have been led to believe it did.There is a huge differance in the price for this top @ <$30.00 and the right one >$60.00.
The gasket is well worn ,taken it off at least 4 times but I have been replacing carb without taking the starter off . I have all new gaskets to try tomorrow. So do you think this plate will ever work or do need to look at this '86 carb or bite the bullet and pay $60.00 for a new top plate. Am sending pictures you asked formotor 006.jpgmotor 004.jpgmotor 005.jpg
 

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You will find that during this time-frame & later, that the factory was playing with carbs. Apparently the bodies were different (throat sizes) for different HP motors, but the tops were interchangable. There were considerable top numbers superceeded, ultimatley trying to utilize one or two different tops for many motors. That said, the one you have may just be OK, just a replacement. However you say you found your top was for a 93, I have doubts of that, because it only has 5 bolts holding it down, the 93 I have uses 6 bolts, with the 6th on the left rear by the roller looking forward.

What I have found on the 9.9/15hp pre 93 they used the needle jet in the front plugged hole on yours, where you could adjust the idle using the knob thru the front cowling. In 93 that jet was plugged, (88 on your 8hp) using the needle like yours on the rear where th cover has to be removed to adjust the needle. This style of top was designed to be used on either , however if being used on the older motors, it needs the right front needle (longer than the older original front adjustment covers) & at a cost of $26 just for ther new late needle itself. I am using the 9.9 as a comparision because if you look up the covers, they may say it covers motors from 6 to 25hp in those years.

I am currently battling the same on my 92 9.9. My top was broken at the roller, & was an early version where repair parts are only available as a kit at $99, while the later style top is $13. I bought a late top, but found my old needle is shorter by what appears to be about 3/16", so am now waiting for a new one to come in. So I understand your frustration.

I think I would check your existing needle. Is it straight, or possibly has a broken tip, these usually come to a very sharp point. That may well effect your idle problem & should be a cheaper repair.

Thanks for the photos, If you don't mind I will use one in my updated carburator article.
 
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Thank you I did not check the 6th screw but the # matches.I knew some thing was amiss when I noticed that screw holding cam roll is actually a screw . The 436316 has a shaft molded onto the plastic body with an oring groove that holds the cam roll on.
 

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I put new gaskets in carb and so far so good .Took it to the lake and it ran good! Thanks machinist! I did notice that I was able to adjust idle mixture screw in more than I have .also fyi it looks like that 436316 top plate will work on this motor. I don't know if they have changed that plate recently though.To clarify I said that 436316 top is listed for a 1993 20 HP . Look it up @ Crowley's It does not give a top view of the bolts but if you look in the price list for those screws you will see that they say you need 12 screws 7 for the float bowl so that leaves 5 for the carb plate (I Think) Again thanks so much!!!BTW use the pictures
 
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