$800.00 permit. All Boats!! Every Year!!!

QC

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Re: $800.00 permit. All Boats!! Every Year!!!

I posted it here as well. Her name is Lisa Murkowski.
 

cordell

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Everybody MAIL that dumb chick and tel her your mind!! On a serious note please contact, I did as I am sure thousands of others have already done so to. She might not even read them but someone will and get tired of it and say something to her. I hope...


cordell
 

reelfishin

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Really? My entire rig is not worth $800. And yet, it starts every time I pull the recoil rope. Such a thing would end my boating altogether. Does that sound OK to you, Mr. I've got mine, so the heck with you?

Thinking is a good thing. It really is.

I have to agree here.
It's not the beat up fishing boats that are the problem, most of those guys have been launching and running the same boats for many years. It's the newbies that haven't any experience that jam up the ramp. The $50k boats with all the inflatable toys, coolers, kids and $60k tow vehicle that hold up the ramp. They tend to have left the boat sit since last years vacation with no mind to that fact that the battery didn't hold a charge over the long off season and that they let it sit all year with the plug in and now it's full of water and weighs over 4 tons having accumulated a years rain.

Those of us out there with the 40+ year old fishing boats are long gone by the time those boats wander down to the water late in the day.

I personally don't care much how my boat looks, I know what I have an it serves my purposes fine. If someone doesn't like how my boat looks or how old it is, their welcome to buy me a new one, if not, they can keep their opinions to themselves.

I've always like watching guys in high dollar speed boats cringe as I slide my old aluminum boat in along side their shiny new glass boat.

I had one idiot cut ahead of both lines at the ramp and dump a boat in between the two parallel ramps one day, I was launched and waiting for the last boat behind me to leave, and there was two on right side dock doing the same. Some kid in a lifted 4x4 came flying in, right between both lanes, dumped in a huge twin engine racer with some girl behind the wheel who had no idea what to do once the boat was set a drift. He just backed in, tapped the brakes and let the boat go and drove off to park the truck. The boat drifted back, right across the bare aluminum corner of my old boat leaving a 4' gouge in that shiny new fiberglass. He came back screaming that my boat damaged his. He obviously wasn't the brightest bulb on the tree, I was the smallest guy on my boat, my other two buddies, quickly grabbed the idiot from his boat before I got after him with the gaff hook. While all this was going on, his boat was sinking due to the lack of a drain plug and had drifted out into open water and headed down stream getting lower and lower. He was screaming and dropping names and the usual "do you know who my father is" crap. I looked at him and simply told him that none of us cared and that he ought to be trying to keep his boat from sinking rather than making an @$% of himself.
He had also illegally parked his truck and trailer blocking an exit at the ramp, noticing this, my buddy, an off duty officer in that town at the time, called for a tow truck to remove and impound it. We left and went about our day out fishing. I never did bother to see how he managed to get his boat out of the water. He jumped in and swam to his boat as we were leaving, his girlfriend has swam ashore and abandoned the boat soon after she saw the water rushing in. She didn't look too happy with him either.
 

QC

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Well I would suggest that you shouldn't paint all of us in pretty boats with the same brush either. I also have a 5 bhp, 14' tinny. I don't hit anybody with either of my boats. I know that wasn't your point, but there are assstros of all shapes, sizes, colors, and gloss level . . . ;)
 

Hitech

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But you have to admit, the only thing that would have made that story better would have been video! ;)
 

reelfishin

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But you have to admit, the only thing that would have made that story better would have been video! ;)

If I would have had a camera, I probably would have beat the idiot with it.

I don't group everyone with a newer boat together, those that fit my description stand out on their own and we all know the type.
The problem is they seem to multiply every year.

I agree with a former post that if some don't wish to look at old boats, go to the private pay ramps, but it's been the opposite here, the pay ramps are usually all fishermen, while the public ramps are full of everyone else. I often use a private ramp but mostly just for the peace of mind knowing that my truck will still be there when i get back. There's been far too many break ins and trailer thefts at the public ramps these days. One pay ramp is a flat $20 fee and they put your boat in for you, very professional and they park your truck for you in a fenced, guarded lot. The other is a private marina, mostly all commercial fishing boats, that charges $10 to use the ramp but its also well lit and doesn't attract many non fishermen due to the way out location. It's not uncommon for me to come in at 3 or 4 in the morning, so having my trailer waiting to load is well worth fees. The public ramps are often totally dark too that time of day, making loading a real hassle. The pay ramp we use is well lit and manned at all times. It's nice to load and leave and head home for some sleep after a long night out fishing. It's also nice knowing that your rig will be there when you return, and in the same shape you left it the day before.

I must say, when it comes to being on the water, I've never had many problems with those in old, run down boats, but can't count how many run-ins I've had with newer boats and arrogant owners who have no clue what they are doing. I can't count how many times I've had boats come so close they run over out fishing lines or anchor line.

Generally I try to stay clear of the water on the weekends, especially holiday weekends. I fish mostly during the week, but in the summer, the shore areas are full of youthful novices with too much boat and not enough common sense.
I don't mine helping someone that deserves it or has the sense to ask, it's those that think they know what they are doing that scare me, and often those that feel that the ramp was put there just for them.

When I am at the launch, I've already untied, transom plug in, only the bow line is attached if it's a roller trailer, and a buddy is on the dock with a dock line in hand to take the boat out to the end as I drive away and park. It takes no longer than the time it takes to back down the ramp and float the boat. Once I see the boat floating, I pull away and park. By the time I get back to the dock, the boat is running and I hop in a leave. Coming back in, I hop off the boat at the end of the dock while a buddy holds the boat, I get in line, back in, then a buddy leads the boat to the trailer and hooks the bow eye and cranks it up. I then drive up and off near the exit to secure the boat, reconnect my trailer lights, and pull the plug. All gear gets stowed and we're out of there. It only takes a few minutes, no hassle, no fuss. At the one pay ramp, there are four launching positions, but I've watched as many as 8 smaller boats all going in at the same time, with no problems. Everyone knows what they are doing, and every boat hits the water, starts right up and drives around to a dock position to await the rest of the crew. I normally load towards the middle leaving the dock for those putting in.

Anyway, back to the topic of this thread, there is no way I'd pay $800 to boat, I don't care what the cause. Its bad enough they doubled the registration fees for both boats and trailers several years back, I already pay over $1700 in registration fees for my boats, trailers, trucks, and personal vehicles to this state. All that on top of the high cost of fuel, there's no way. I'd be all for a boycott of any such fee. They can't arrest and tow every boater and boat out there. As a business, I've already cut back and stopped all deliveries, the cost of fuel has increased the cost of doing business beyond what the market will bear. Add the cost of another $800 permit or fee, and there will be even less boaters and even less fishermen on the water.
I've watched several marinas, tackle shops, bait stores, and dealers close up over the years, as well as charter boats and head boats hang it up for good.
Such a fee would put the final nail in the coffin for the rest of the industry here.

It's getting to the point where we as Americans have to stand up and just refuse to pay some of these insane fees. The same goes for the cost of gas these days. This country needs to start drilling here for oil, forget all the tree hugging activists, we need cheap gas, before this country goes completely down the tubes. This all on top of new fishing restrictions and now a pending saltwater fishing license. Where to they think the money will come from?

If they want to charge fees, charge the foreign boats in the bay netting all hours of the night, charge the trawlers dragging the bottom where we fish, charge those that net and waste thousands of game species as bycatch.
There is no way they should allow foreign boats into our coastal waters to fish, then tell the recreational fishermen they need to pay for a license, pay for some EPA fee, all just to keep a handful of fish in the end?
Fishing used to be a way to put food on the table, it's cheaper to dine out these days. A day on the water costs me at least $200, sometimes more, and that's not counting the drive to the ramp, and for what, 6 or so fish that they tell us are contaminated but safe to eat just so we don't eat more than one a month?

I don't boat just for the fun of it, I boat to get to where the fish are because I like to eat fish. I don't fish for sport, I fish for food. If it cost more to catch fish than to buy fish, then I won't fish, therefore I don't need to boat, but that means I need to make more money someplace else to be able to afford to buy food or fish elsewhere. So, since I am a mechanic by trade, the cost of fixing your truck, boat or car will just have to go up. As in turn will everything else. If it cost me more to get to work, to heat my shop, to eat, the more you will pay. The problem is that this had very little effect on those that make the laws being that in order to get into that elected office, they already had to have money to spend. More money to spend in most cases than the job pays, so keep that in mind when you leave a business decision up to an elected official who spent more to get the job than they will get paid. I can't say how much effect a few of us writing our elected officials will do, the bottom line is the money. There are far more powerful forces working against us that want more money and don't care where it comes from. It's time instead to stop the paying for freeloaders and illegals in this country, just that alone will be far more than what they would collect from us with boats.

I'm all for alternative fuels, but until they are reliable and affordable, we need gas to keep this country rolling. We need to roll back the clock a bit on the high price of fuel before every working class American goes broke.
I am not going to buy a foreign car to save gas, I am not getting rid of my old truck or car, and I will not stop boating. We need to send a message to our elected officials NOW that we've had it and we ain't gonna take it anymore. I fear that it's already far beyond writing letters, the only action that will get the message across at this point is defiance. After all, isn't that how this whole country got started?
 

PennStateZ

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reelfishin, out of curiosity, what kind of car do you drive?
 

bonz_d

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If I would have had a camera, I probably would have beat the idiot with it.


It's getting to the point where we as Americans have to stand up and just refuse to pay some of these insane fees. The same goes for the cost of gas these days. This country needs to start drilling here for oil, forget all the tree hugging activists, we need cheap gas, before this country goes completely down the tubes.

The problem is that this had very little effect on those that make the laws being that in order to get into that elected office, they already had to have money to spend. More money to spend in most cases than the job pays, so keep that in mind when you leave a business decision up to an elected official who spent more to get the job than they will get paid.

1st point; If you will look into it closer you will find that this recent trend in oil prices is more because of commodities investors than the oil companies or supply and demand! That;s how they (investors) make their money.

2nd point; In this country all you need to do is get elected once and you will be paid for the rest of your life. What a deal! So that's just another investment form.

Now on topic.
We were at our local ramp in a private subdivision the other day and there were 4 Out of State cars there. 1st, these 4 cars were taking up at least 3 more car and trailer parking spaces that couldn't be used by the way they were parked. Next there was a 5th car that was parked on the ramp and part of that group. That car was tieing down a single kayak and loading beach supplies, along with BSing with the rest of the group. It took HER 20 minutes after we arrived for Her to move off the single ramp! This tee'd me off as I also kayak and have tied to the roof and know it doesn't take a half hour to do it. Oh yeah, then She pulled up enough so I could access the ramp then park in the middle of the road. I had a hard time getting around Her AGAIN!

What's even more funny is I live on a dead end street to the lake. To see the idiots come down the road with their boats and think they can launch there. Get this, the water is only about 20" deep for about 250 yds before it drops to 30".
 

NSBCraig

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Hey so the senator from Florida (where I live) submitted the bill to straighten this all out on my birthday.

Nothing could go wrong.
 

greggholmes

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the way i see it, you can open up the whole world to drilling and it wont do any good. oil companies have no incentive to drill for more oil. last i heard oil companies had over 1200 drilling permits that they are sitting on. they are making BILLIONS why would they want the price lower? Refineries and speculators are the choke points. On a side note, why ARE cars only getting 30 mpg? 78 mpg has already been done on a production car and the 100 mpg car was shelved. my 87 metro got 49 mpg. Where are the high millage cars now?
 

Lucky Penny

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You guys are behind the times. This whole matter is mott. Senate Bill S. 2766 was defeated on the floor of the senate on June 27, 2008 with the Nea vote of the soon to be unemployed Senater from Alaska. She has taken the bill hostage to protect the interest of the few (less than 3000) commerical fishing boats in Alaska who are major political contributers. And who for the most part don't qualify under the act to start with. I wonder how much seed money will come her way if the 18.5 million of the rest of use boycott King, Opie and Princess Crab and Alaskan Cod for a few weeks. I guess after she is voted out by the 51,000 rec boat owner in her state, the Gov will appoint her as the Official Greywater and Deck run off inspecter.

Way to Go Alaska
 

QC

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All noted and linked above . . . ;)
 

tommays

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Well

I am not gonna DUMP all the one and two man fishing boats that have run out of Northport for the last 300 years to get a quick fix
 

QC

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Are they uninspected? I think so, and believe then exempt. Please guys, read the damn bill!!!! We need this fixed and seems like a fair compromise to me. I think I explain this exemption here: http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=260437

Also, I see no mention of this on the iboats site, and very little in the way of legitimate outcry. This is serious stuff. Not going to go away without a bunch of publicity. Maybe we should simply trust that our elected officials will do the right thing . . . :rolleyes:
 

LORDY611

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I followed the link page to action and just got my 3rd response from the elected officials here in MD. With the Chesapeake Bay and Potomac River as the two largest bodies of water nearby, there are plenty of boaters here who vote. All 3 responses were positive and supported the waiver of fees to private boats. Lets hope that our vote talks and BS walks.
 

jro669

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Oddly enough, over run with them.
I'd gladly pay 8 bills a year to be rid of them.

thats sorry. what if everyone with hair thought everyone w/o hair should wear a cap or stay inside? or people who lived in trailers i.e. trailer trash, should be removed? i guess you would pay 8 bills for that also. why don't we just get rid of all jews, im sure we civilized people of society can come up with a good reason( maybe there not as good looking as you, in your own mind).
 
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cordell

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Good News!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dear Mr. abney:
Since you previously wrote to me in support of the Clean Boating Act of 2007 (S.2766), I wanted to share some good news with you about this legislation.
I am pleased to inform you that Congress has passed the Clean Boating Act, and it was signed into law on July 29, 2008.
As I noted in my previous letter to you, I proudly joined Senator Bill Nelson (D-FL) in introducing this bill to establish measures that ensure the protection of water quality while minimizing any burdens for recreational boa ters under the Clean Water Act.
As you know, the Clean Boating Act makes it clear that recreational boaters will not have to get a permit under the Clean Water Act, while also requiring the Environmental Protection Agency and the Coast Guard to develop management practices, outside of any permitting programs, to assist boaters in minimizing adverse pollution impacts. By helping boaters to maintain and improve water quality, the boating experience w ill be enhanced for all users.
Thank you for your past correspondence on this matter. Please feel free to write to me in the future about this or any other issue of concern to you.

Barbara Boxer
United States Senator


:)about time they got it right!!:)
 
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