84' 150 black max bogging out under load

GITDNET

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O.K. this is sort of a continuation of a post from a week or so ago. I have a 150 black max serial #6454829, and I was having problems when I would go on the water and put it in gear as soon as I started to accelerate it would bog down and die. I rebuilt the carbs, checked and replaced fuel lines, rebuilt fuel pump and took it out last sunday and the same thing happened. Tonight, I did a compression test and I was 110psi on #2 cylinder and 105psi on all the rest. So I decided to do a spark test and noticed I wasn't getting spark on #1,3 and 6. also I noticed some arcing from #2 and #5, the arcing was coming from the boot that is connected to the coil. So now what??? do I just assume it's a no brainer and replace coils and plug wires or can it be my switch box also??? I'm not sure what kind of test I can do to isolate it to the coils... Any input would be great. Thanks to ya all...
 

Chris1956

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Re: 84' 150 black max bogging out under load

It is not likely that three coils failed. Go on the CDI.com website and check the troubleshooting guide for the ADI ignition in your motor. Also, it sounds like you want to replace the spark plug boots and or wires on those arcing plugs.
 

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Re: 84' 150 black max bogging out under load

I disagree. If you have visible arcing from 2 coils, it could be that others have totally failed.

It sounds like you have a lot of bad wire and contamination shorting things out. I'd clean it all up before I started throwing parts at it.

You got here by ignoring performance drops till you only had 2 cylinders left.

Check it out systematically. You may luck out and have little real failure.

hope it helps
John
 

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Re: 84' 150 black max bogging out under load

Thanks J.martin and Chris for your reply...although I haven't come to this point by ignoring performance problems. I recently bought this boat and after the second day out I started having problems. I have just now started checking out the electrical system after fully going through the fuel system and through process of elimination figured that it was not in the fuel system. So now here I am. I did look at the condition of the wires and every thing looked o.k., there was a few spots on the wires coming from the coils to the switch box that the plastic around the wires were cracked. Is there a way I can test the coils where I am not getting spark?? and should I get new set of plug wires and check spark again.. Thanks you guys for your help......
 

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Re: 84' 150 black max bogging out under load

If insulation is cracked, the wire is unreliable. Moisture, and contamination can crawl up the wire to where it can't escape, then corrode the wire till it parts.

hope it helps
John
 

GITDNET

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Re: 84' 150 black max bogging out under load

Hey everybody thanks for your help!! There's no way I could possibly have the guts to tackle this project, although seeing how much I would have already spent on a mechanic at a shop makes me push on!!!!! O.K. so I've started to go through all the wiring from the top down and made an important discovery. There were two wires that were worn down and cut at the trigger assembly, not at the switch box but underneath the stator at the trigger. As I noticed when I throttle down the trigger wires move back and forth and from what I can tell is that the wires were secured to the block with little slack causing them to eventually cut at the trigger. So now I have two questions. 1. Can I just buy the wire assembly and not the trigger or is that one unit??? and 2. Is this the reason why I am not getting spark at plug #1, #3 and #6?? I followed the cut wires and they are all in the group of wires in the yellow sleeve going to the outer switch box. The wires that are cut on the trigger are voilet and white. Or should I just swallow that big lump in my throat that tastes like a new trigger, coils, and plug wires, and hopefully not new switchboxes for dessert???? :eek:
 

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Re: 84' 150 black max bogging out under load

Hey everybody thanks for your help!! There's no way I could possibly have the guts to tackle this project, although seeing how much I would have already spent on a mechanic at a shop makes me push on!!!!! O.K. so I've started to go through all the wiring from the top down and made an important discovery. There were two wires that were worn down and cut at the trigger assembly, not at the switch box but underneath the stator at the trigger. As I noticed when I throttle down the trigger wires move back and forth and from what I can tell is that the wires were secured to the block with little slack causing them to eventually cut at the trigger. So now I have two questions. 1. Can I just buy the wire assembly and not the trigger or is that one unit??? and 2. Is this the reason why I am not getting spark at plug #1, #3 and #6?? I followed the cut wires and they are all in the group of wires in the yellow sleeve going to the outer switch box. The wires that are cut on the trigger are voilet and white. Or should I just swallow that big lump in my throat that tastes like a new trigger, coils, and plug wires, and hopefully not new switchboxes for dessert???? :eek:


Jump in, the water's fine...

I'd pull the flywheel, and the stator, (no need to unhook it, just unbolt it) and then pull the trigger out so you can work on it. There's the throttle link, and 6 or 7 wires all going to the switchboxes.

You need to use the proper flywheel puller, which goes into the large threads in the hub. Don't take the bolts out, and don't try to pull it with a jaw type puller. If you're really into declaring your poverty, you could pull 3 bolts out and use a steering wheel puller, but that's a poor second choice.

Once on the workbench, or kitchen table, you need to strip back and carefully clean about 1/2 inch of wire at the break. You have to fuss with them quite a bit, they'll be covered in black oxide that absolutely repulses solder. A small stainless wire brush is helpful. Or you can repeatedly fan out and lightly scrape the wires from different sides with a pocket knife. You need at least 50% shiny on each hair wire.

Slip a piece of adhesive lined shrink tubing, (fastenal 0710595 1/8 in, 0710598 3/16 in.) over one wire, twist up a neat splice with as small a bulge as you can, and solder it with good electronic solder. (63/37 eutectic resin core is best, 60/40 resin core is OK.) If you know someone into bone fide electronic repair, get a piece of solder there. A soldering gun will work, as will a small soldering pencil. Let it cool before you try to slide the heat shrink over it, or it'll stick where you don't want it. Heat shrink it in place. A little adhesive should ooze out each end of the tube. Do this with each broken wire.

When you put the trigger back in, pay close attention to lead dress of the harness. It should be the top bundle in the bunch that's tie-wrapped to the switchbox mounting plate. It needs to move freely with the trigger as the throttle moves, and it must not touch the flywheel. It ain't rocket science, just a bit of carefullness.

Put it all back together. It'll look just like mine, and likely run as well.

hope it helps
John
 

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Re: 84' 150 black max bogging out under load

Thanks John for your response...I've been calling around for the proper flywheel puller and the actual puller that is pictured in my seloc manual goes for 100.00 from a marine dealer. I might just take my boat down to the local shop and see if they would pull it off for half that. Now a question about the 2 cut wires, do you think that's the reason why I'm not getting spark?? Thanks, Tom:)
 

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Re: 84' 150 black max bogging out under load

Thanks John for your response...I've been calling around for the proper flywheel puller and the actual puller that is pictured in my seloc manual goes for 100.00 from a marine dealer. I might just take my boat down to the local shop and see if they would pull it off for half that. Now a question about the 2 cut wires, do you think that's the reason why I'm not getting spark?? Thanks, Tom:)


Pullers go for about 30 - 50 bucks on eBay. The combination puller/lift rings use a coarse thread, and can be difficult to use if the flywheel is stuck bad. The fine thread versions are about 50 bucks, and are usually dimensioned so they won't do down over a nut, to keep you from crushing things by forgetting to remove the nut. (a common mistake with the Mercury genuine puller)

Odds are good, if the local shop is busy, they'll hand you the puller and tell you to pop it loose in the driveway yourself. Take along some wrenches.

If you have a 16 amp flywheel, you can usually get away with pulling it by 3 of the flex plate bolts. Just be sure you use good bolts and get enough threads. Don't go too deep with the pulling bolts or you'll fuddle up the trigger the rest of the way, but be sure you are through the flange.

Yes, cut trigger wires will kill spark, possibly on 2 cylinders for each cut.

The trigger actually has 3 coils in it. One fires 1 and 4, one fires 2 and 5, etc.



hope it helps
John
 
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