85hp Lower unit: Rebuild or replace?

IPA006

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Hello all. I'm a novice here and I think I got myself into quandry. To being.... My curreny project has been to replace the gear cover on an 85hp force. All was going well until I took the screw out of the shift arm. I was able to replace the shift rod and get the arm and shift screw back into postion. However, I believe I have screw up the forward, reverse, and neutral setting. The lower unit is currently off the motor, and I turn the propeller forward and reverse with my finger and see the drive shaft move. I cannot, however, get a neutral setting.

I know of 120hp available for a few bucks, but I do know if it compatible with an 85hp engine. Or, should I consider rebuilding the lower unit to reset the shift arm and yoke.

Thanks in advance for any advice.
 

moparman

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Re: 85hp Lower unit: Rebuild or replace?

first off, do you have a manual? If not get one ,this procedure will be covered in it,keep us posted on your progress
 

john from md

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Re: 85hp Lower unit: Rebuild or replace?

Send a PM to Frank Acampora. He is well versed on which lowers can be used on which powerheads.

John
 

Frank Acampora

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Re: 85hp Lower unit: Rebuild or replace?

Well, first off, if the gears and dogs are not worn, and the case is not cracked, there is no sense replacing the lower unit.

You simply have not assembled it correctly. The shift assembly on the prop shaft is so simple that not going into gear or not going into neutral is usually simple to fix.

Since you have not stated the engine year, I will describe early Force before Mercury changed them radically.

After draining the oil, the first thing you want to do is remove the water pump, then remove the plate it sits on. Now, you can see all the way down into the front of the bullet where the steel shift yoke is.

If you have not already done so, remove the bearing spool and the reverse gear bearing carrier. NOW, pull out the prop shaft and reverse gear. In the forward end of the prop shaft is the shift shaft. On the end of the shift shaft is a square groove into which fits a brass saddle shaped yoke. If the yoke is missing, it has fallen into the nose of the gearcase (which is what I suspect). Tilt the gearcase and shake until the yoke falls out either through the opening the pump cover seals or through the hole in the forward gear.

Now, after checking that the shift yoke is sitting on the screw in the side of the gearcase and pivots properly when you move the shift rod up and down, put a good dab of grease on the shift shaft groove and press the brass yoke into the groove. Push down all the way on the shift rod to move the shift yoke (this is the one the side screw holds in position) all the way forward in the gearcase and carefully insert the propshaft and brass yoke through the hole in the forward gear, engaging the grooves on either side of the steel shift yoke with the two tabs on the brass yoke

Without moving anything but the shift rod, now make sure the dog clutch slides forward and backward on the internal splined portion of the prop shaft between the gears.

Now simply reassemble everything and refill the gearcase with lower unit lube.

If you still want to exchange lower units, ANY lower unit that looks like yours will bolt up. They all had the same bolt pattern until Mercury put a Merc midleg and lower unit on the Force line. You did not state the years of the engines so I must use generalities.

HOWEVER: You must take a bit of care. You must be certain that the driveshaft splines are the same, the driveshaft length is the same, and the gear ratio is the same. Force 85s used either a 2-1 or a 1.7-1 ratio for various years. The 120 used a 1.7-1 ratio. If yiou put a 1.7 on a 2-1 engine, there will be a loss in performance. It will then be necessary to use a prop 2 pitches lower.
 

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Re: 85hp Lower unit: Rebuild or replace?

For the record, The engine in a 1988 85hp FORCE. It uses a dual-shaft drive shaft. I believe your information is excatly what happend to the lower unit. Will I be able to pull out the prop shaft entact, or will do I need special equipment to dismantel the prop shaft?
 

Frank Acampora

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Re: 85hp Lower unit: Rebuild or replace?

No special tools are necessary with the exception of a spool puller that you can make with two lengths of threaded rod and a plate of metal.

The prop shaft, dog clutch, reverse gear, and reverse bearing carrier will pull out as a unit.

Get your hands on a clymers manual. It shows relatively clearly how to disassemble and reassemble the lower unit.

Your 85 can use any lower unit from 1979 to 1992 as long as the drive shaft length is the same. Gear ratio info I gave still applies. Earlier than 1988 lower units will have a one piece drive shaft but it will still fit. Your lower unit is most likely not the original one since (to the best of my knowledge) the two piece drive shaft was not used until 1990.
 
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