86 Johnson 90 Trim Tilt stuck

s.reich

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I have a 86 90 hp johnson, trim has worked all summer. Went to go for ride today, motor stuck in up position. I don't have relays or switch installed, just use jumpers to battery. Trim motor running, ram not moving. Tried gently tapping cylinder, no luck. also, manual release screw seems to be jammed. won't turn either direction. Anyone have some ideas?
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: 86 Johnson 90 Trim Tilt stuck

Sounds like you've possibly developed a hydraulic lock. This is usually due to trailering the engine in a tilted position without having it locked down. If so, the cure is as follows.

(PTT Hydraulic Lockup)
(J. Reeves)

If the engine has been trailered without having both of the trim rams pulled in, or trailered without even having the engine being supported by the trailering support, it is possible for the PTT to encounter a hydraulic lock up. The slight up and down motion, when trailering allows over 1700 psi of oil pressure to build up on the wrong side of the oil pump. Since the oil pump cannot exceed that 1700 psi, the unit is effectively hydraulically locked into position (the elec motor runs and does nothing).

The proper method for trailering is to have the engine in a full tilt position and resting on the trailering support bracket, then have both trim rams pulled in to a point where the engine makes a jerking motion. At this point, immediately take your finger off of the PTT trim switch. Now, quickly and sharply, tap the PTT up button. This removes the vast majority of down hydraulic pressure but at the same time, the engine is solidly locked into position and cannot rock up and down.

(The Cure)
Have the engine in the up position and supported so that it cannot fall. Look straight at the PTT assy.... you will see what looks like a large slotted screw on the port (left) side of the PTT assy, but which is in fact a check valve. Remove that valve and what you find inside which is a shuttle valve, and a spring on each end of that shuttle valve.

After you've removed those items, look straight inside of that chamber. You'll be looking at the reverse side of another check valve. Look at the hole in the backside of the valve you removed. You will need a punch that will fit inside of that hole.

Now, place the punch inside of the hole in that check valve that is still in the unit, and tap it rather sharply with a hammer. It will take quite a rap but the idea is to unseat the valve to release the hydraulic pressure. Watch your eyes as when you do release the pressure, it will have a tendency to spray out somewhat.

After releasing the pressure, reassemble the shuttle valve, springs, and outer check valve. Fill the oil reservoir with PTT fluid, having the engine in the extreme full tilt position. That's it.
 

boobie

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Re: 86 Johnson 90 Trim Tilt stuck

Joe, I think that prob was cured back in '78 or '79 when OMC added an expansion relief valve to those units. They stamped a "V" on the port side of lower part of the unit. He has other probs. First thing to do would be to get the manual release valve freed up.
 

slimjohnson

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Re: 86 Johnson 90 Trim Tilt stuck

Mine did the same thing. I just added fluid and problem was fixed
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: 86 Johnson 90 Trim Tilt stuck

Joe, I think that prob was cured back in '78 or '79 when OMC added an expansion relief valve to those units. They stamped a "V" on the port side of lower part of the unit. He has other probs. First thing to do would be to get the manual release valve freed up.

Unfortunately that hydraulic lockup existed even into the 1980's, but I know of what you speak.
 

boobie

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Re: 86 Johnson 90 Trim Tilt stuck

Could be the expansion relief valve was bad in them. They do go to hell like any other valve.
 

s.reich

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Re: 86 Johnson 90 Trim Tilt stuck

Boat has never been trailered. Used exclusively in 'gulp' salt water. On a lift when not in use. System appears to be closed. Relief valve is on starboard (right) side of motor. It is jammed solid. Any ideas, and am I correct to turn counterclockwise to remove? Thanks!
 

boobie

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Re: 86 Johnson 90 Trim Tilt stuck

Yes, but only two turns without removing the snap ring.
 

s.reich

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Re: 86 Johnson 90 Trim Tilt stuck

Still no luck getting screw to turn, tried the biggest screwdriver I have. Any ideas on tools to remove it?
 

scowman

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Re: 86 Johnson 90 Trim Tilt stuck

Soak with PB plaster or sea foam penetrating lube first of course. If that does not work

If you are willing to sacrifice the screw and a socket (buy new ones) hammer a tight fitting 12pt socket over it and use a breaker bar. Try to use at least a 3/8 drive. This may fail and snap the screw. Then you will have to drill the screw and use an easy out. Drilling may cause shavings to enter they system or destroy the hold threads so you need to be prepared to deal with that.

No easy solutions here so be patient with the penetrating lube.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: 86 Johnson 90 Trim Tilt stuck

Still no luck getting screw to turn, tried the biggest screwdriver I have. Any ideas on tools to remove it?

Use a hand held impact screwdriver and hammer, available just about everywhere.
 

boobie

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Re: 86 Johnson 90 Trim Tilt stuck

The impact driver is the best idea. You can also use some heat on it with a Mapp Gas torch.
 

woody66912

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Re: 86 Johnson 90 Trim Tilt stuck

Joe is right on what you need to do to release the pressure. I guess I never did it that way, the way I always did it, was to remove the plug and place a 1/4 in" nut with grease on it just to hold it in place, I always left the shuttle valve in, and tightened the plug cap down, that way oil can't shoot back at you. Different strokes for different folks.
 

s.reich

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Re: 86 Johnson 90 Trim Tilt stuck

Thanks guys. Crazy work schedule until Sunday, i'll try the impact driver then,and let everyone know what happens. Until then, thank you all again, and I'll keep spraying the penetrating oil.
 
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