'86 Merc Black Max no spark

lmurtagh

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i am the proud new owner of a 1983 Mako with V-135 Merc Black Max. I had it surveyed and the important items checked out OK...boat was relatively dry and solid, compression 128-130 on all 6, lower unit clean, merc ran good on land and in the water. the major issue noted by the surveyor was that i had no output for charging the batteries. i figured it was a bad rectifier which would be no big deal to replace.


fast forward two weeks, i have been running the boat in the driveway every night after work just to test it. it usually needs some quik start and lots of throttle to start (carbs get totally flooded) but otherwise works great and ran smooth (once it was running) for a '86 2 stroke. i make the mistake of planning a fishing trip saturday morning and get out there about 7 am to start it in the driveway before i head to the launch. first attempt with quik start doesnt work, no go on second and third. crank it a fourth time and the starter doesnt jump. just makes a electric fizzle sound. so we go fishing on my friends boat.


when i get home i jump from the positive terminal to the starter and it fires just like normal. so i started an electrical overhaul. the engine is now hooked up with CLEAN connections to a new starting battery. i try to start it monday night and starter works fine, cranks like champ, but wont start. i checked and had no spark on all cylinders.


i have tested the kill circuit by disconnecting mercury switch and disconnecting blk/yel to switch boxes, tested the neutral interlock switch, tested rectifier (which is visibly blown out see pic) by removing yellow wires, also disconnected entire wire harness and jumped the starter. still no spark. the red/white wire from my idle stabilizer was burnt/corroded so i cut out the bad section and replaced with new wire (this was burnt and corroded before i lost spark--see pic). checked resistances with below results...seems fine to me. i havent replaced the spark plugs yet cause i cant believe that all of them could be fouled at once/all of a sudden. nor have i checked the ignition coils because my wire colors didnt match the manual and i dont see how all could fail at once.


STATOR
blue/white to red/white = 6.47 kO (supposed to be max of 6.2...)
red/white to ground = 150 O
blue to red = 6.29 kO (supposed to be max of 6.2)
red to ground = 138 O


TRIGGER
black to ground = 0.00
brown to white (yellow sleeve) = 1.3 kO
white to violet (yel) = 1.299 kO
violet to brown (yel) = 1.302 kO


any other ideas? is 6.47 kO when its supposed to be 4.5 - 6.2 OK? could that explain why the rectifier crapped out in the first place?

please start with simple solutions first...based on my testing i think it has to be something simple...something i am overlooking. i thought the rectifier is just involved with the charging circuit, can it prevent the spark? i have another ignition switch...should i try putting that in?


thank you for the help. see pics here: http://picasaweb.google.com/leallyn.murtagh/Mako?feat=directlink
 

j_martin

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Re: '86 Merc Black Max no spark

First, keep spraying starting fluid into it, and you soon will have a brick that doesn't need to start. Never spray anything but a lube oil if fogging for storage, or 2 cycle fuel into the engine.

A shorted rectifier could stress the stator and cause it to fail. Running it with a bad rectifier is a bad idea. The coils in the stator are separate, but overheat from the battery charger side could damage the charge coil side.

As to the no spark on any cylinder with the kill circuit disconnected, the only next test that makes any sense is to check the stator, trigger, and switchboxes with a DVA.

Your parting comment about spark plugs raises a flag. How do you know you have no spark?

hope it helps
 

lmurtagh

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Re: '86 Merc Black Max no spark

thanks for the info j_martin. no more quick start!

any idea where i can find the procedure and specs for testing stator, trigger, and boxes? i got the seloc manual (regret it already) instead of the $80 service manual, and it offers no help in that arena.

not sure what you mean regarding the spark plugs. i checked for a spark after each test and cant get it to come back. i dont have a tester so i am holding the plug with 1/4" of a good ground and turning the key.
 

j_martin

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Re: '86 Merc Black Max no spark

thanks for the info j_martin. no more quick start!

any idea where i can find the procedure and specs for testing stator, trigger, and boxes? i got the seloc manual (regret it already) instead of the $80 service manual, and it offers no help in that arena.

not sure what you mean regarding the spark plugs. i checked for a spark after each test and cant get it to come back. i dont have a tester so i am holding the plug with 1/4" of a good ground and turning the key.

If it's cranking a little slow, you'll get a good looking spark across a spark plug gap in free air, but it won't fire in the engine. It takes about 7/16" in free air.

CDI website has testing procedures for the engine. You'll need a DVA to do it right.

I'm wondering, given the slow degrading you've listed, if your problem isn't just a bad starter. If you don't know for sure, check the starting current. It should be around 125 amps. It needs to turn pretty briskly to start because it takes a certain rpm to generate enough charge to fire the plugs.

hope it helps
John
 

lmurtagh

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Re: '86 Merc Black Max no spark

thanks for the help john. i home-made a DVA and found good results across the board, except when the outboard was tilted all the way up. seems the mercury/tilt switch was intermittently killing the spark. shes running again. spent way to much time trying to figure this issue out! but hey i learned a few things...

another question: i ordered a new rectifier but i am reluctant to install without making sure my voltage regulator is ok. what are the tests for the voltage regulator?
 

j_martin

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Re: '86 Merc Black Max no spark

thanks for the help john. i home-made a DVA and found good results across the board, except when the outboard was tilted all the way up. seems the mercury/tilt switch was intermittently killing the spark. shes running again. spent way to much time trying to figure this issue out! but hey i learned a few things...

another question: i ordered a new rectifier but i am reluctant to install without making sure my voltage regulator is ok. what are the tests for the voltage regulator?

It should fit the chit can easily. Mercury doesn't sell them because they really aren't needed as long as you maintain your battery, and they are a fire hazard.

Durnit on the tilt switch thing. The problem I've found with my ignorance is that I generally don't know when I'm ignorant. Once I realize it, it's easily cured with knowledge.:D

hope it helps
john
 
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