'87 Johnson 70 Cylinder Question

ddcarter3

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In the process of rebuilding the powerhead. We have honed the cylinders. I have 2 cylinders with a score each that is about .001 or .002 deep. I am replacing all 3 pistons and rings. Will these scores really be a problem? Is this a good reason to go ahead and tear it down completly and bore the block or just run with it?
 

RPJS

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Re: '87 Johnson 70 Cylinder Question

If it were my motor and I was going to be replacing the pistons anyway I would opt to have it rebored to the first oversize piston you can get, probably 0.010".
 

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Re: '87 Johnson 70 Cylinder Question

I guess what I am really asking is what will the scoring on the cylinder wall do to the motor if I don't bore it. Being that they are relativly shallow, will they cause harm if I leave them?
 

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Re: '87 Johnson 70 Cylinder Question

They will shorten the life of your "rebuilt" motor.
Think of it like a faucet that you let drip all the time. Eventually that drip gets worse and worse until its a staedy flow.
Same with the scoring on the cylinder walls. They will let a minute amount of hot combustion gasses pass everytime the piston fires. Those hot gases will erode the rings and the cylinder walls and eventually you will have low compression.
 

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Re: '87 Johnson 70 Cylinder Question

Thanks, I just needed an explanation. I was the kid who ALWAYS asked why.
 

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Re: '87 Johnson 70 Cylinder Question

The biggest cost of boring / rebuilding is the cost of the pistons. You are already going to buy new pistons. The cost of boring vs honing is very little at this point. You'd be crazy not to bore it. It's already apart. It's already at the machine shop. You've already spent the bucks on pistons. It's a no-brainer.

BTW - the first oversize is .020.
 

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Re: '87 Johnson 70 Cylinder Question

It is not completely torn down. My Dad is doing the honing. To do the boring, we will still have to tear into the gear case on the side, remove the crank and remove the flywheel. We can do it, just wanted run it by you guys to see if it was necessary. Thanks for the info.
 

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Re: '87 Johnson 70 Cylinder Question

How have you managed to hone the bores with the crank and flywheel still there??
 

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Re: '87 Johnson 70 Cylinder Question

ddcarter3 said:
In the process of rebuilding the powerhead. We have honed the cylinders. I have 2 cylinders with a score each that is about .001 or .002 deep. I am replacing all 3 pistons and rings. Will these scores really be a problem? Is this a good reason to go ahead and tear it down completly and bore the block or just run with it?
Your 0.001" t0 0.002" will not "self heal" it will only get worse as the rings are not sealing completely in this condition. Will it run in this condition...Yes. Do I think its a good idea....No.
 

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Re: '87 Johnson 70 Cylinder Question

It is no more than an hour to finish tearing down the engine. Boring is the cheapest part of a rebuild. Likely, all the bearings will look like new, but you will want to check the head bearing and lower crankshaft bearing as well. Get a complete engine gasket kit for resealing the engine. It takes one evening to reassemble a complete powerhead, once you have everything on hand. Check or replace your t-stats at this time as well, and your impeller if you haven't done it this season.

warmly,
funpilot
 

Dhadley

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Re: '87 Johnson 70 Cylinder Question

Even if you hone it with the motor partialy assembled, how in the world are you gonna clean it?

And what are you refering to as the "gearcase on the side"?
 

mikesea

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Re: '87 Johnson 70 Cylinder Question

iF YOUR THAT FAR INTO IT ALREADY,YOU GOT TO DO IT RIGHT ,BORE IT TO NEXT SIZE ,WHICH SHOULD BE 20 OVER,UNLESS THE GAUGES ARE DEEPER. i THINK YOUR TALKING ABOUT THE SIDE PLATE ON THE PORT SIDE OF THE ENGINE.tHAT SHOULD BE REMOVED AND ANY CARBON,SALT ETC CLEANED OUT.yOU SHOULD DEFINATLY CHANGE THE BOTTOM BEARING AND SEAL ON THE CRANK,USE ALL NEW BEARINGS. tHEY ARE CHEAP,EXCEPT FOR THE TOP AND CENTER,UNLESS THERE IS A COMPANY THAT NOW PROVIDES THEM AFTER MARKET. i USED A COMPANY CALLED PRO MARINE,DONT KNOW IF THEY SELL TO INDIVIDUALS,BUT I'M SURE YOU CAN GET ALL YOUR GASKETS ,BEARINGS ETC FROM SOMEONE. PERHAPS IBOAT,I HAVENT LOOKED. I PERSONALLY LIKE WIESCO FORGED PISTONS,I WOULD BORE THE ENGINE ALL THE SAME,MAKE IT NICE AND UNIFORM.AFTER YOU GET IT TOGETHER,IT'S POSSIBLE YOU MAY HAVE A IDLEING PROB.THESE ENGINES SOMETIMES NEED CHANGING OF THE AIR JETS.I DONT RECALL THE SIZING ,BUT I'M PRETTY SURE THEY NEEDED TO BE SMALLER.IF YOU SPEND THE LITTLE MORE TIME AND MONEY,THAT ENGINE WILL LAST ANOTHER 20 YRS NO PROB.OF COURSE NOT COUNTING LOWER UNIT AND ELECTRICAL .CHANGE YOUR IMPELLER EACH YEAR CHANGE GEAR OIL OFTEN ,AND YOU WILL BE OK.HONING DONT DO MUCH OTHER THAN TO GIVE YOU SOME NEW CROSS HATCHING,WHICH SHOULD BE DONE AFTER A TRUE BORING THAT WILL MAKE THE CYL,ROUND THROUGHOUT AGAIN,BRING IT TO A MACHINE SHOP THAT DOES OUTBOARD STUFF AND ASK THEM TO MAKE IT READY TO ASSEMBLE.
 

ddcarter3

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Re: '87 Johnson 70 Cylinder Question

OK.OK. I put my cheap alter ego back in the closet. I went ahead and ordered a complete rebuild kit. New everything. Parts will be here next week and will take the block down to be bored when the Wiseco Pistons arrive. Once again, just needed the "why" answered. Thanks to all who offered their opinions. I am sure there will be more questions as we get further into the rebuild.
Thanks again.
David
 
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