87 octane ??

Frank Acampora

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Re: 87 octane ??

Speaking in generalities, the Chevy big blocks and Chrysler Hemi when used in supercharged funny cars and dragsters would have a flat head or dished head piston for lower compression to compensate for the supercharger. Maybe somebody on the forum with a supercharged go-fast boat can tell us their base compression ratio.

Don't know the compression ratio on the supercharged Buick Riviera, but I'll bet its slightly lower that the normally aspirated 3.8 V6. Buick was always a leader in forward thinking. First V6, speed records with the V6, Supercharged pick-up truck-forget the name -Grand National or something. A real barn burner. They still sell for premium bucks. Back in the early '60s they made a production turbocharged small V8 in a Skylark with alcohol injection when the turbo kicked in. Had a plastic tank in front of the radiator that you needed to keep full

And by the way. including burn out, a dragster engine only turns about 800-900 REVOLUTIONS from start line to finish. Do the math. 10,000 RPM divided by 12 (5 second run is 1/12 of a minute)

And, so much fuel is injected, they run right on the edge of hydraulic lock. I didn't believe it until I saw a demonstration. When the fuel injectors open, they spray like a garden hose!

And the reason for lower octane ratings at higher altitudes is: Because the air is less dense, less is inducted into the cylinder, thus, the EFFECTIVE compression ratio is slightly lower and less octane rating is needed.
 

jal

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Re: 87 octane ??

Scoutabout, you are not hijacking. I think that this is really great, I have learned an awful lot.
Frank Ancampora, thank you. Super job.
 

scoutabout

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Re: 87 octane ??

Well - I won't pretend to know enough to contradict any of that but I was thinking of the Miller Cycle engine. Fascinating power plant -- I've got one in my Mazda Millenia. To reduce inefficiencies due to pumping loses, this motor has a funky timing setup that sees the intake valves stay open well into the compression stroke -- something like 70 degrees (a good 30 beyond normal). That reduces what I believe would be a 10 plus:1 compression ratio to a net of 8:1.

The idea to was to get big v6 power out of a smaller V6 (mine's just 2.3 litres) with the fuel consumption of a smaller engine. Now "big" is relative, of course. With the supercharger and twin intercoolers my little v6 puts out 210 hp and 210 pound/ft of torque. Nothing to brag about today but back in 1995 when the engine made its debut, it caused a bit of a stir.

Sadly, high purchase price, poor oil seals and truly obscene replacement costs (Mazda quoted me $5000 for just the compressor when my oil seals went) have relagated the Millenia and its unusal motor to a footnote in the automotive trivia bin.

millermotor.jpg


More reading here if anyone's interested.

Mazda's Miller Cycle Story


My -- I really have sunk this thread. Sorry!
 

180shabah

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Re: 87 octane ??

...Don't know the compression ratio on the supercharged Buick Riviera, but I'll bet its slightly lower that the normally aspirated 3.8 V6...

The Supercharged 3.8's (starting in '92) ran compression ratios between 8:1 and 8.5:1 depending on year, heads, vehicle, etc....
 
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