87' suzuki 115 problems

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Re: 87' suzuki 115 problems

I should have added that removing the oil injection and leaving the oil pump not lubricated will certainly cause the gears to shear and destroy the crank. While you have access to it, check the oil filter for goo in it. Then reassemble and BLEED the oil system.
 

outbord_115

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Re: 87' suzuki 115 problems

the metering jets on the top of my carbs was completely shut or screwed in. I will pull each plug wire and see what happens... so the rpm's should drop on the properly running cylinders if it doesn't I am not getting either fuel or spark right? I sorta tried that on the muff the only cylinder the seemed to drop rpms was #2 and it actually killed the motor. also the oil pump has been removed along with all the other oil injection parts. oil filter shouldn't be an issue should it?
 

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Lots of shotgun here. When you refer to "gunning it" I assume this is in neutral. This is a great way to destroy the engine. The RPM range you describe almost indicates it's going into rev-limit. On the '87, this can be caused by a temp sender, a water-flow sender, or the oil filter. You should have a multimeter on your console that will give you a rev-limit indication. Even if you don't have the gauge, the engine will protect itself if a sensor indicates a problem. Now, let's start with basics. Run the engine at idle with backpressure, ie, in the water. Using plug-boot removal pliers, remove 1 plug boot at a time and reinstall it until you positively identify the offending cylinder because the RPM won't drop. At this point you know you have 120# compression, so you need spark and fuel. Spray carb cleaner directly into the carb throat for that cylinder. If the engine picks up RPM, the problem is not enough fuel. R&R the carb and clean it properly. Many times the problem at idle is the air meteriing jet on top of the carb. As far as checking float level, don't turn the carb upside down. Turn it so the float pin is up and the float hanging down and the float lightly touching the needle. In this position, maske the adjustment that makes the float parallel to the body. If you have fuel, the last thing is spark. Again, pull the plug boot away from the plug and listen for spark jumping. If you can't hear it, there isn't any, that simple. You've tried swapping coils and thought that was the problem, but replacing the coil wasn't the answer. I've been servicing Suzukis since 79 and have quite a bit of experience and tech schooling on them, including working for Suzuki. All you need to do with these engines, as with any brand, is take a systematic approach each time you work on it. Haphazard repairs just compound the problem. If your service manual refers to a V4 and you have the I-4 (which you do, as Suzuki didn't make a V4, only a 90 and 100), only the theory of operation is the same. The carbs are not, including idle adustment and synchronization of linkage. Back up, take a deep breath, slow down and try it my way.

where are these sensors located my book sucks if you know it I'm sure you could describe the location better than my book does.... I did notice a sensor in the top head... but I haven''t seen another sensor for water flow/temp. if so how do I test to see if they are the problem? just disconnect it?
 

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Re: 87' suzuki 115 problems

I have an 87 DT150 ss, had similar issues with bad idling when I first got it. I had to have the carbs rebuilt, before my problem was mostly solved. Mostly as in I still had a problem with putting it in gear, it would stall at idle unless I gave it some throttle. I discovered that while on muffs the spark seemed fine, but when I got back home from a trip on the lake - I pulled plugs and inspected them. I discovered one cyl (#5) was apparently not firing under load. My plugs for that cylinder were nearly new looking. Ceramic was as white as if I'd just pulled them out of a new box. Yet they were gas/oil wet. I eventually bought new coils for mine and it greatly solved my problem. It won't idle totally smooth from what every person with experience tells me, but now I can idle out in no wake zone with out nudging throttle to keep it running and causing a wake when I'm not supposed to be. It may be just carb rebuild is all you need, its just what I had to deal with. With the one cyl not firing under load it would not idle well and tended to die on me constantly. Also, my motor doesn't idle real well until its warmed up, so give it some time to warm up in neutral at the dock until it has warmed up. Suzuki's seem to be as cold natured as Mercs. Or at least mine is.


I finally the boat running good but I cant idle without nudging the throttle either!!! It will die the majority of the time if I don't give it a little throttle! should I adjust the fuel air ratio, or leave well enough alone! I am satisfied that I can finally take the boat out to the lake now. when out yesterday gps'd 52 mph loaded with two people... I want 60mph will a jackplate give me what I need? what else can I do to help out the mph?
 

clamdigger1

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Re: 87' suzuki 115 problems

could it be the power pack? It sounds like the same problems I was having,
and the power pack was the culprit.
 
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Re: 87' suzuki 115 problems

Your engine is an in-line four cylinder 2-stroke. It does not have all the sensors, as described above.

I had a 1995 DT-140. Basically the same engine.

I can tell you that the carbs. are EXTREMELY sensitive to cleanliness. I had to disassemble mine annually and thoroughly clean them.

GET RID OF THE CARBURETOR CLEANER SPRAY. That is death to two stroke engines. If you spray anything, into the carbs for testing, spray pre-mix fuel.

Give the carbs a thoroughly cleaning.
 

outbord_115

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Re: 87' suzuki 115 problems

I cleaned them very well already, which is why I can finally plain off. it may be the coil pack b/c at idle in the lake it kinda jerks a little.. real rough which sounds like a firing issue possibly. clamdigger did yours have those symptoms at idle?
 

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Re: 87' suzuki 115 problems

I am curious. What procedure and materials did you use to clean the carbs.
If the carbs are not cleaned correctly you could still be having trouble.
The slow running needles should be set around 1.25 to 1.75 turns out.As was stated in a previous reply the carbs are very sensitive to good cleaning and setting. Also it is critical that your oil mix is correct. Too much oil will cause running problems and too little will ruin the motor. Add Stabil to your fuel to minimize carb problems and avoid ethanol fuels.
Pleased to see you are making progress.
 

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Re: 87' suzuki 115 problems

I am curious. What procedure and materials did you use to clean the carbs.
If the carbs are not cleaned correctly you could still be having trouble.
The slow running needles should be set around 1.25 to 1.75 turns out.As was stated in a previous reply the carbs are very sensitive to good cleaning and setting. Also it is critical that your oil mix is correct. Too much oil will cause running problems and too little will ruin the motor. Add Stabil to your fuel to minimize carb problems and avoid ethanol fuels.
Pleased to see you are making progress.

I took the carbs completely apart and soaked all the jets in berrymans carb cleaner and sprayed the the entire carb body completely, then re installed all the parts and put them back the boat.. however this was the second time I cleaned them. before I cleaned them I took it to the mechanic to help trouble shoot my problems and he adjusted the air mixture...so I left he setting alone which could very well be the problem at idle. I don't know what he set the adjustment to. we are talking about the same adjustment screw/needle... right? where can I get some stabil sounds like it may help as well.
 
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