898 rear motormounts revisited!-Saga Resolved!

WizeOne

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We removed the bell housing from my friends 898. With all exposed, the construction of everything becomes pretty clear. The bushings themselves press into the bellhousing mount arms from the bottom up. The hole is stepped so the so the bushings will only go in so far.

On top of the transom bracket arms and between the bellhousing mount arms, a fiber washer and a spring is supposed to sit. Well guess what! Someone has had this out before and the springs had been installed between the bottom nut and the underside of the transom bracket mount arms. As such, on the port side, the fiberwasher had begun to be forced up into opening of the bellhousing mount arm bushing hole. The result, of course was the lowering of the engine in relation to the gimbal bearing. This perfectly corresponds with the readings we had been getting on the alignment bar.

Now my question is this. The new bushings that we got came with a gold colored spacer ring that is supposed to be installed on the underside of the bellhousing mount bushing. It neatly fits up into the space remaining after the bushing is installed as far in as it will go. The net result is that the bottom of the spacer ring would now be flush with the bottom surface of the bellhousing mounting arm.

Are we still supposed to use the fiber washer and spring? The only function I can determing for this metal spacer ring is that it would prevent the fiber washer from being forced up into the mount bracket hole as had been occuring. Of course with the spring in the right place that would have also helped that from happening as the spring sits on the bellhousing mount arm and up against the inner core of the mount bushings assy's. It would also seem that the fiberwasher and spring should still be used to establish the minimum height of the rear of the motor.

Does this sound correct?
 

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First question, are these new motor mounts OEM parts? or aftermarket. It makes a big difference in how they are installed.
 

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First question, are these new motor mounts OEM parts? or aftermarket. It makes a big difference in how they are installed.

Don't know Don. I got them from my (gulp) OMC guy. (he's also a merc dealer) There was no package with them so I suspect they could be aftermarket. I can ask tomorrow but that doesn't do any good for today.


At this moment we do not have the old bushings out yet, so we have not been able to compare them dimensionally with each other. We need to cut thru from the inner bushing to the outside of the outer sleeve with a metal saber saw blade. (I guess we cannot avoid making a blade cut into the step that stops the upward travel of the bushing) We should then be able to 'press' them back out using a bolt and spacer setup we constructed.
 

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Read this service bulletin
http://dc93.4shared.com/download/49581591/38273d7f/New_syle_rear_motor_mounts.pdf


DO NOT CUT THE MOUNT OUT



They are pressed into the housing. BT Doctur has a post about a tool he made for installing them. I have done it using a socket and hammer to remove and install new mounts. BUt you have to be very careful.
 

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Read this service bulletin
http://dc93.4shared.com/download/49581591/38273d7f/New_syle_rear_motor_mounts.pdf


DO NOT CUT THE MOUNT OUT



They are pressed into the housing. BT Doctur has a post about a tool he made for installing them. I have done it using a socket and hammer to remove and install new mounts. BUt you have to be very careful.

Well Don, to late to follow the big red warning sign. The bushings are out and they are dimensionally identical, in all respects, to the new ones we obtained. Base on the illustration in the PDF, it appears that the modified ones had the inner core (with serrated end) protruding further down in relation to the outer sleeve. This was not the case with our mounts. The inner core was installed equidistant, in relation to the outer sleeve, on both ends.

So it seems that we should retain the spring as well as the fiberwasher which they originally eliminated then re-installed.

Now the only question remains, what is this spacer ring that came with the new mounts. It is approximately the same thickness of the fiber washer, it is chamfered from the outside edge down and inward an is suppose to be faced upward. As I mentioned it fits inside the mount hole, closing up the distance between the bottom of the outer mount sleeve and the bottom of the bellhousing arm surface. The only thing that I can see that it would do is keep the fiber washer from being extruded up into that void, as was happening. The spring would still fit inside that spacer and make contact with the bottom of the inner mount bushing.
 

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The spacer goes in before the mount. Don't run off and screw something up before I can show you how it goes in...... Geeeeezzzzzzzzzz
 

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The spacer goes in before the mount. Don't run off and screw something up before I can show you how it goes in...... Geeeeezzzzzzzzzz

okay! I'll go stack firewood.
 

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First make sure you have the old spacers out of the flywheel cover.

Here is how the spacer and mount should go into the flywheel cover.

NOTE: #1 is the flywheel cover, #2 is the Mount, and #3 is the spacer

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More detail of spacer and how it should go in. Note which way the bevel on the spacer is facing.

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Looks diabolical Bt. What does it do?:eek:

In reference to Don's excellent aftermarket mount diagram, do we still use the fiber washer and spring? Seems you would still lose rear motor height without them.
 

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do we still use the fiber washer and spring? Seems you would still lose rear motor height without them.

Yes, as shown in the original design of the service bulletin I posted earlier.

Looks diabolical Bt. What does it do?
It's a homemade press for installing those rear mounts without beating on them and getting them crooked and destroying a new mount.
 

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Yes, as shown in the original design of the service bulletin I posted earlier.


It's a homemade press for installing those rear mounts without beating on them and getting them crooked and destroying a new mount.

Gotcha on the press, we used something similar,ie, a collection of bolts, nuts, washers and sockets to press the mounts in. After cleaning off all the corrosion, they slid in real smooth.

Original fiber washers and springs it will be. It appears that both the revised OEM parts and these 'aftermarket' parts are lifting the bell housing a bit above their original position. This should make for a pretty easy alignment.

Thanks a bunch!
 

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The Rear Motor Mount saga is over. New mounts pressed in, new mounts pressed out. My friend got in a hurry and pressed them in before Don proffered the diagram for the aftermarket mounts.

After they were removed, he discovered that there was already a chamfered spacer up inside the cavity. Why he did not see those when he cleaned out the corrosion beats me. However he still replaced them as there was the cut in them from cutting thru the old bushings.

As the deteriorated mounts were already aftermarket mounts, as evidenced by the chamfered spacer, this was confirmation that when they had been replaced before, the 'mechanic' left out the spring (installing it on the underside of the transom assy mount arm, on top of the nut) causing the left mount to try extruding the fiber washer up into the mount cavity.

All is well now, the alignment should go well.
 

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As the deteriorated mounts were already aftermarket mounts, as evidenced by the chamfered spacer

Hate to tell you this, but OEM mounts are also chamfered.
Glad you got it back together properly......... At least I think you did, or may have, or .............. ;) :p
 

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mine might be different but it was spring washer goes inside fiber washer on top then spacer,big washer then bolt goes thru, on bottom was a nylock nut trapped by bell housing.
 

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mine might be different but it was spring washer goes inside fiber washer on top then spacer,big washer then bolt goes thru, on bottom was a nylock nut trapped by bell housing.

Same, same bigskiohio. That's the way this one is now.

From the top down:

Bolt
washer
spacer
bell housing bracket arm
chamfered bushing (chamfer facing down)
mount bushing
spring inside of fiber washer
transom assy mount arm
nylock nut
 
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