'96 Johnson 50 hp cranks, has fuel, no start

cptmarvel

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Thanks. I'll look at that in a sec. Raining now anyway. I did get to a point where it said to "repair or replace" harness from motor to ignition switch. I was getting 0 ohms all the way on the black/yellow wire so at first I ignored it. Then decided to check for any continuity between all of the wires at the 6 pin connector on the motor side of that harness. It started raining, so I couldn't finish, but checking so far I got 0 ohm between R and B/W, and 15 ohm B/W and P. Meter set at 20K
 

cptmarvel

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Just got the cdi guide last night. New printer pissing me off right now. Going to try that before I disconnect those wire terminal.s they don't really put them in easy to get to places.
 

cptmarvel

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Well, I seem to have been abandoned to my own devices, but here it goes anyhow:
CDI TROUBLESHOOTER, page 39 results
Steps 1-4; no faults noted.
Step 5; brn-brn/yel: flashes different readings then reads open
Brn-eng gnd: open
Brn/yel: open
Orn-orn/blk: flashes different readings then open
(Next three wires I don't have, jump to where it says "some engines use the following wires on the timer base" these I DO HAVE)
Wht-blu; 28.5
Wht-grn: 29.0
Wht-gnd: open
Blu-gnd: open
Grn-gnd: open
Step 6;
Orn/blu-blu: open (should be 110)
Orn/grn-grn: open (should be 110)
Wht-grd: short
Brn-grd: open
Brn/yel-grd: open.

So, THAT being said, my first SWAG is the power pack, with a second of the stator/timing base.
Anybody tracking?
 

jakedaawg

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Ill post some pics of your motor and power pack and such tomirrow. Dont buy a statir yet.
 

cptmarvel

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Don't have peak meter. Just did the ohms. Found the power pack. Looked it up in the parts manual and tracked it down. I'll replace that, then keep my fingers crossed as to the stator. These guys charge $78 an hour, not counting the weeks or months it deadlined.
 

cptmarvel

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An I still gotta pull some 4 or 6 awg cable thru it for the new trolling motor. Only has 8 or 10 and that's not what minn Kota calls for on that.
 

jakedaawg

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So, now that you found the pack were you able to open the blk yel wire there and see if you have spark?
 

Fed

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You're not abandoned Cpt, your post #23 & #24 were made at 12:27 AM and 04:27 AM in my timezone....sleeping time for me.

Your post #21 quoted below seemed to go off at a tangent after the black/yellow test which was far from descriptive and seemed to indicate a problem.
I did get to a point where it said to "repair or replace" harness from motor to ignition switch. I was getting 0 ohms all the way on the black/yellow wire so at first I ignored it. Then decided to check for any continuity between all of the wires at the 6 pin connector on the motor side of that harness. It started raining, so I couldn't finish, but checking so far I got 0 ohm between R and B/W, and 15 ohm B/W and P. Meter set at 20K
You obviously measured the resistance of the black/yellow wire, the question is, was it disconnected, connected, from where to where did you measure it???
Was the key on or off, was the lanyard in position??? These things are important as reading Zero to ground on the black/yellow wire with key on & lanyard in place will stop the spark.
You need to be very descriptive and methodical with what you're doing or keep throwing parts at it until it runs.

Jake for what it's worth I think the resistance tests a good as they can help define a magnet problem if they show the coils as good but incorrect DVA output.
Of course a user needs to know how to use a multimeter & what he's actually testing for.
 

cptmarvel

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Thanks boys and girls, LOL! I'll get back to all this tomorrow evening if you're still with me. Last day of vacation and work tomorrow. And when I said that I'd been abandoned, was in jest. I know most folks have things to do on a weekend that are far more important than staring at their phone or computer. I appreciate the input!!
 

jakedaawg

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Fed , and cpt. I didn't mean to imply not to use an ohmeter. I thought he /you were trying to get DVA reading with a common multimeter. My bad.
 

cptmarvel

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I've done confused myself, using both cdi and service manual. I'm going to start over and initiate another thread. I'll call it "my troubleshooting results, 50 hp no start".
 
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