A Diesel Guy Dealing with a STUPID GAS ENGINE!

wi4x4man

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Okay...

So I left a thread on here about a week ago where I was out on the lake and my new (reman) 4.3L Mercruiser engine up and died on me. I figured that I fouled the plugs up, and they were pretty dirty with carbon as I had spent a while idling. I went ahead and cleaned them. However it "sounded" like I lost compression when it would crank (same sound it made when I first set the valves and two cylinders didn't have good compression). Long story short, my attempts to start it ended up causing me to flood the crap out of the engine. My thought was that the fuel washed everything down and that caused me to loose some compression.

So, this evening I went through and checked compression. I had good compression on all cylinders (130-160 psi) except for one which was at about 40 psi. I shot some oil down the hole and the compression came up to about 75 psi. Okay, fine... Not the greatest, but it was better. (Keep in mind I had 160 psi when I set the engine up 20 hours ago)

I figured I would see how my spark was (as it was getting dark) and so I grabbed a plug, put it to a bolt on the side of the block, and it was an orange color. WTF? I know that blue is best, but what the heck is the deal with orange? One other plug wouldn't even spark across the gap, it skirted around to the inside of the plug.

I have new wires, a new rotor, and a new cap. The plugs were new when I put everything together. The only thing that is old is the coil and the ignition box. The engine is a 1990 Mercruiser (pre-balance shaft with the Thunderbolt IV setup). Everything on it is mercruiser brand. I did this thing by the book and I am having issues.

So, what the heck does an orange spark tell me? I am going to purchase new plugs again tomorrow, but what is the deal with the orange? Is my coil bad? Are my wires shot? It is orange no matter what wire I use.

I am a diesel guy. I know diesel engines inside and out. When I first repowered my boat, I was thinking of putting a 4045TFM75 John Deere diesel in it, but decided against it... I thought I would have too many problems with fitup, torsional vibration, and etc. But at least with a diesel engine, you don't have to worry about stupid freaking spark plugs and the other BS that goes along with them.

The only marine gas engine that is worth anything in my mind is the old 165 Mercruiser straight six. I have one of those that is 35 years old and runs like a raped ape. No matter what, that thing fires every time, has excellent get up and go, and what is really nice, is VERY EASY TO WORK ON!

As you can tell, I am frustrated as all get out. I think it is time for a beer.
 

cr2k

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Re: A Diesel Guy Dealing with a STUPID GAS ENGINE!

Probably a weak coil or poor/no connection to the solenoid during cranking. There is, or should be, a wire that runs 12v straight to the coil when cranking (so the starter doesn't steel all the power). Check power on voltage and cranking voltage at the + side of the coil.
 

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Re: A Diesel Guy Dealing with a STUPID GAS ENGINE!

were any of the dist wires hot?....like the + or - side?
 

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Re: A Diesel Guy Dealing with a STUPID GAS ENGINE!

I had good compression on all cylinders (130-160 psi) except for one which was at about 40 psi. I shot some oil down the hole and the compression came up to about 75 psi. Okay, fine... Not the greatest, but it was better. (Keep in mind I had 160 psi when I set the engine up 20 hours ago)

Howdy,


I figured that I fouled the plugs up, and they were pretty dirty with carbon as I had spent a while idling.

Sounds like the carb is either set too rich (at idle) or the choke is stuck shut for too long. Idling shouldn't cause that.


If you have 1 cyl with only 75psi compression, there's something very wrong there...... especially if it was 140+ only 20 hrs ago.

did you notice any pinging or other "noises"?
 

wi4x4man

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Re: A Diesel Guy Dealing with a STUPID GAS ENGINE!

No, no pinging, not a thing. There was a noise at about 3000 RPM, but would go away when you passed 3000 RPM. It was also very intermittent. Sometimes you would hear it, sometimes not. I figured I hit a natrual frequency of some component within the compartment. That noise should have been constant, correct?

I have good juice going to the coil, they weren't hot either.

I am going to get a new coil and plugs today. See if that does anything....
 

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Re: A Diesel Guy Dealing with a STUPID GAS ENGINE!

Howdy,




If you have 1 cyl with only 75psi compression, there's something very wrong there...... especially if it was 140+ only 20 hrs ago.

this. if its a reman engine, I'd honestly just pull it out and take it back in for the warranty. 75psi versus 140s on the rest is a big issue.

rings didnt seat is what it sounds like though it could be a burnt valve...unlikely though as the oil helped the pressure.
 

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Re: A Diesel Guy Dealing with a STUPID GAS ENGINE!

So I left a thread on here about a week ago where I was out on the lake and my new (reman) 4.3L Mercruiser engine up and died on me.

Ayuh,... This 1,..??
 

wi4x4man

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Re: A Diesel Guy Dealing with a STUPID GAS ENGINE!

All I can say is that if I do end up pulling it, I am not going to put another gas engine in. Gasoline engines are for little cars, scooters, and motorcycles. Trucks, boats, and heavy equipment are best used with Diesel engines.
 

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All I can say is that if I do end up pulling it, I am not going to put another gas engine in. Gasoline engines are for little cars, scooters, and motorcycles. Trucks, boats, and heavy equipment are best used with Diesel engines.

Ayuh,... I completely agree,... My pickup is diesel...
But,...
It's pretty slim pickin's for a powerplant for sub-30' boats...
What there is, is outa My price range...

The SBC is King,...
Get ta Know it, 'n ya can't help Lovin' 'em...;)
 

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Re: A Diesel Guy Dealing with a STUPID GAS ENGINE!

if your planning on repowering with a diesel, get a complete unit from intake thru prop. gas engines have different gear sets than diesels. the Mercruiser Diesel lineup is nice. was looking at the 120hp unit when I worked at cummins myself.

my guess is you got a bum rebuild with low cost rings and one of the rings went south.
 

wi4x4man

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Re: A Diesel Guy Dealing with a STUPID GAS ENGINE!

Well, it is official... I believe I have a burnt valve.

I did a leak down test on it, and you could hear (and feel) the air coming through the carb. I cranked it over a little thinking the valve may be open and it still did it. Again, and again, and again. I took the valve cover off and removed pressure on the rocker arm. Still did it. I took off the rocker arm and checked the pushrod... Straight as an arrow. I thought that maybe I had a stuck valve... Nope, moves freely.

So, I figure the valve must be burned up. I haven't checked any of the others yet, maybe this is the only one and I won't have to pull both heads off. Guess the year is over for me.
 

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Re: A Diesel Guy Dealing with a STUPID GAS ENGINE!

Bummer! Was there a warranty on this repower?

V
 

wi4x4man

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Re: A Diesel Guy Dealing with a STUPID GAS ENGINE!

Yes, there was a warranty. I have already started the claim with the company that I purchased it through. I am hoping that they are going to be good about it and let me bring it to a friend of mine to fix it. I simply do not have the time this year to put that much work into the engine myself, and I don't believe that this warrants the engine to be pulled from the boat. I can get to the head just fine, just need to take a bunch of crap off.
 

wi4x4man

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What Causes A Burnt Valve?

What Causes A Burnt Valve?

I have rebuilt a number of engines in my life, but I have run across my first burnt valve.

So, what causes a burnt valve? Too lean of a condition?
 

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Re: What Causes A Burnt Valve?

I have rebuilt a number of engines in my life, but I have run across my first burnt valve.

So, what causes a burnt valve? Too lean of a condition?

Ayuh,... An Exhaust valve,..?? probably detonation, from a lean condition...
 

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Re: A Diesel Guy Dealing with a STUPID GAS ENGINE!

air out carb= intake valve issue, and they don't burn.
 

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Re: What Causes A Burnt Valve?

-High EGT's
-Improper lash
-Bad valve seat surface
-Loose guide
-Over grind (from prior machining)
-Blown intake gasket on affected cylinder
 

wi4x4man

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Re: What Causes A Burnt Valve?

Is there anything that can be done without removing the head? My guess is no, but it never hurts to ask.
 

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Is there anything that can be done without removing the head? My guess is no, but it never hurts to ask.

Nope,...
 

wi4x4man

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Yeah, I didn't think so.

I sure wish I knew what the hell I did to cause this to happen. Did everything by the book... Very frustrating.
 
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