A great sense of Catholic occasion ...

Tinkerer

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... results in a former Hitler Youth being elected Pope on Hitler's birthday.<br /><br />Yeah, I know, it means nothing.<br /><br />It's just some great coincidences. Which is all it is. But it's still fun to point it out.<br /><br />The last thing anyone would expect of a pope would be bad behaviour, of the sort that Pope Pius XII has so often been accused of during the Mussolini / Hitler fascist ascendancy that saw the Catholic Church allow Jews to get killed by the millions around Europe without a bit of serious objection from the Catholic Church.<br /><br />No doubt the new Pope Benedict will avoid having to deal with his refusal as Cardinal Ratzinger to acknowledge, let alone deal fairly with, the clerical sex abuse scandal in the Church.<br /><br />He's my kind of guy for a top pope, carrying on the long and great papal tradition of enforcing religious orthodoxy while ignoring Christian action.
 

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Re: A great sense of Catholic occasion ...

I belive the College of Cardinals are sending the members of the Roman Catholic Chruch a message on catholicism. Love it or leave it.---Bob
 

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Re: A great sense of Catholic occasion ...

Let's face it Tinkerer, the catholic church was originally founded on hypocrisy and murder anyway-the same as pretty much all religions.<br /><br />What difference does it make?<br /><br />Shall we hold bets on the date of the 1st assassination attempt?
 

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Re: A great sense of Catholic occasion ...

Originally posted by Laddies:<br /> I belive the College of Cardinals are sending the members of the Roman Catholic Chruch a message on catholicism. Love it or leave it.---Bob
It's a great example of Christian attitude and action, and a tribute to the Christian tolerance and charity of the late Pope and his recent successor, that there isn't a third way: Love it and change it for the better in accordance with the gospels and Christ's teaching, and be accepted within the Church as people of good conscience and intent rather than apostates and heretics.<br /><br />Beats me why so many people have left the Catholic Church when it's such a great catholic (not Catholic) and Christian organisation.
 

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Re: A great sense of Catholic occasion ...

Actually, the Pope was elected to office April 19th, Italian date/time. That it was April 20th (Herr Hitler's b'date) across the international dateline is, indeed, a coincidence.
 

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Originally posted by tcube:<br /> Actually, the Pope was elected to office April 19th, Italian date/time. That it was April 20th (Herr Hitler's b'date) across the international dateline is, indeed, a coincidence.
There's nothing that stuffs up top gossip like facts!
 

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Re: A great sense of Catholic occasion ...

I haven't heard much hay about his Nazi connection. But I did hear that he quit and that's all that's important in my book. He saw the error and corrected it early. End of story. It'll be interesting to see if the Media beats that to death (like they usually do) or not. For me, quitting makes it a non-issue.
 
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DJ

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As typical, many just want to pile on.<br /><br />I do not agree with much of the doctrine of the Catholic Church, that is why I am not a member. Never haver been. That is my choice. I WILL NOT however try to pick apart their belief system just because I do not agree with all of it.<br /><br /><br />Relating ALL Faith beliefs to this statement<br /><br />
founded on hypocrisy and murder anyway-the same as pretty much all religions.<br />
is nothing short of naive.
 

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I don't think it will change much in the scheme of things. Most Catholics don't follow the church doctrine, like the ban on birth control, anyway.<br /><br />I do think it is kind of sad that the area of most growth in the church is third world countries, like many in Africa, and the church is going to continue to teach that protected sex is a sin...<br /><br />But then so it goes. As a survivor of 10 years of parochial schools, nothing surprises me from these folks. I learned a lot in those 10 years, and not much of it was religion.
 

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Re: A great sense of Catholic occasion ...

Originally posted by Nos4r2:<br /> What difference does it make?<br /><br />
Well, it definitely improved the occupancy rate for hotels etc in and around Rome for a while. Not to mention gelati sales around St Peter's square. Do this in memory of me?<br /><br />Apart from that, those who believe continue to believe and those who don't don't.<br /><br />There's still a delicious irony in a German who was a Hitler Youth (Yeah, I know anybody can be forgiven, except the people who can't) bouncing into the Vatican after a Pole when the Italians had had a stranglehold on it for so long, including the difficult period when a weak pope sucked up to the Germans while some of the Catholic Poles were happily helping the Germans send the Polish Jews off to the German death camps. But who wants to tarnish the joy of a new pope with historical embarrassments?<br /><br />What does any of this have to do with the joy aroused by a few puffs of smoke coming out of an old chimney? <br /><br />If that turns you on, pop around to my place any night in winter. We don't elect a pope, but we don't do any harm, either.<br /><br />We don't drink altar wine either. Just beer. But if you're a sheila we've got plenty of white wine.
 

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Re: A great sense of Catholic occasion ...

errrrrrrrrrr, not old chimney, just a temporary chimney that is hooked to a pot belly stove.
 

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Re: A great sense of Catholic occasion ...

Originally posted by SBN:<br /> errrrrrrrrrr, not old chimney, just a temporary chimney that is hooked to a pot belly stove.
Mate, I'm trying to run a thread here and I keep getting interrupted by people introducting facts.<br /><br />There's nothing guaranteed to ruin a good yarn more than facts.<br /><br />So, we've got a bunch of old farts in red dresses with white blouses whose only communal skill is being able to make black or white smoke, through the temporary stove in the Sistine Chapel when they decide that one of their number is the best old fart for the international old fart job. Once the job is filled the cheap stove and chimney disappear.<br /><br />Alas, the pope doesn't.<br /><br />I'm pretty sure I've now satisfied all factual issues without offending anyone.
 
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DJ

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There's still a delicious irony in a German who was a Hitler Youth (Yeah, I know anybody can be forgiven, except the people who can't) bouncing into the Vatican after a Pole when the Italians had had a stranglehold on it for so long, including the difficult period when a weak pope sucked up to the Germans while some of the Catholic Poles were happily helping the Germans send the Polish Jews off to the German death camps. But who wants to tarnish the joy of a new pope with historical embarrassments?<br />
Who can't be forgiven? You weren't there, you don't know the situation. And, besides, here's a revelation for you-you're not God.<br /><br />Humans are humans. Humans will do terrible things to each other when pressed by fear. Why don't we hear about those that ran the underground and saved thousands. I know, it doesn't fit into the agenda of doom that liberals so love to wallow in..
 

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see, go back to my old post about how there must be one religion in this crazy world that is right, and all the rest wrong.<br /><br />if catholic happens to be the one that is right, poor tinkerer is no doubt going straight to hell with the rest of us.
 

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Originally posted by DJ:<br />
Who can't be forgiven? You weren't there, you don't know the situation. And, besides, here's a revelation for you-you're not God.<br /><br />Humans are humans. Humans will do terrible things to each other when pressed by fear. Why don't we hear about those that ran the underground and saved thousands. I know, it doesn't fit into the agenda of doom that liberals so love to wallow in..
It's somewhat distressing to know I'm not God. Until your stunning revelation I thought I was immune from traffic speed cameras. Now I'm a bit worried about the God paperwork I sent back to the Traffic Camera Office, particurlarly the ones where I said they couldn't see my car because God was driving it. :) <br /><br />You're perfectly right about not understanding and forgiving. <br /><br />I shall remedy my way immediately by forgiving:<br /><br />The Oklahoma bombers.<br /><br />The people who flew the planes into the twin towers.<br /><br />The Japanese who killed my countrymen on the Burma Railway and on the Sandakan March, as I'm sure Americans will forgive the Japanese who raided Pearl Harbour and on the Bataan March.<br /><br />Lee Harvey Oswald. <br /><br />John Hickney.<br /><br />The Columbine killers.<br /><br />Pol Pot<br /><br />Adolf Hitler<br /><br />Josef Stalin <br /><br />Mao Tse Tung<br /><br />All murderers.<br /><br />All rapists.<br /><br />All armed robbers.<br /><br />All people sentenced to any term of imprisonment.<br /><br />I wasn't there for any of these things and I don't understand any of them.<br /><br />But there's no doubt that because I wasn't there and don't know what the situation was, I'm not qualified to express any moral or other opinion about any of these people and their actions.<br /><br />So I guess I have to forgive them all.<br /><br />As you might forgive me for daring to express an opinion critical of lesser institutional evil by the Catholic Church, in all its glory.<br /><br />I'm sure that everybody on this board will join with me in acknowledging that all these people should be forgiven and, if subject to charges or under sentence, released immediately with an apology and compensation for being so terribly treated by the conservative and liberal governments which have so profoundly deprived them of their civil rights by punishing them for their crimes.<br /><br />Thank god that liberals like me aren't in charge of the criminal process where we might not extend any forgiveness.<br /><br />PS I'm actually involved in running an underground at the moment, for people my government demonises and subjects to worse treatment than our ordinary criminals. Liberals like me have been helping these people for years but nobody wants to hear us. After all, the people we're concerned about are just scum who want a better life away from the countries where they're pressed by fear,like Afghanistan and Iraq which are so bad that we needed to invade them but not so bad that anyone would want to leave them "when pressed by fear" to the extent that we'll allow them into my country. <br /><br />Nobody in the news media or government wants to hear that it's unfair to exclude these people whose only crime is wanting a touch of the life that lets people like us express our views on this board. The only agenda of doom they face, and that liberals like me face, is that my government has set its face against them, and will send them back to their deaths.<br /><br />I apologise for wallowing in these sorts of liberal trivialities.
 

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Originally posted by mattttt25:<br /> if catholic happens to be the one that is right, poor tinkerer is no doubt going straight to hell with the rest of us.
I was shocked, confused, bewildered <br /> as I entered Heaven's door, <br /> Not by the beauty of it all, <br /> by the lights or its decor. <br /> <br /> But it was the folks in Heaven <br /> who made me sputter and gasp-- <br /> The thieves, the liars, the sinners, <br /> the alcoholics, the trash. <br /> <br /> There stood the kid from seventh grade <br /> who swiped my lunch money twice. <br /> Next to him was my old neighbor <br /> who never said anything nice. <br /> <br /> Uncle Bill, who I always thought <br /> was rotting away in hell, <br /> Was sitting pretty on cloud nine, <br /> looking incredibly well. <br /> <br /> I nudged Jesus, "What's the deal? <br /> I would love to hear Your take. <br /> How'd all these sinners get up here? <br /> God must've made a mistake. <br /> <br /> And why's everyone so quiet, <br /> so somber? Give me a clue." <br /> "Hush, child," said He. "They're all in shock. <br /> No one thought that they'd see you!"
 

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Re: A great sense of Catholic occasion ...

I don't expect anything beyond the normal from this Pope. The Catholics are not noted for their progressive achievements, however they are they steadiest of all.
 

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Re: A great sense of Catholic occasion ...

Originally posted by Tinkerer:<br /> So, we've got a bunch of old farts in red dresses with white blouses whose only communal skill is being able to make black or white smoke, through the temporary stove in the Sistine Chapel when they decide that one of their number is the best old fart for the international old fart job. Once the job is filled the cheap stove and chimney disappear.<br /><br />Alas, the pope doesn't.
I love it.
 

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Progressive acheivements are maybe a bit too much to expect, but a bit of common sense from a world authority really wouldn't go amiss.<br /><br />To quote the new Pope(in essence-I forget the exact words) :-<br /><br />Homosexuality is evil<br /><br />Condoms shouldn't be used to stop the spread of AIDS.<br /><br />Nice one. Why not go the whole hog and suggest that women and men aren't equal?<br /><br />Religion is blind hypocrisy.<br /><br />Belief in god isn't.
 

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quote:<br />"Homosexuality is evil<br /><br />Condoms shouldn't be used to stop the spread of AIDS."<br /><br />I don't pay too much attention to what's going on with religion, etc and I'd be interested to read the exact quote, but if that is in fact his message, that's disgusting! Especially the second one...now let me guess on what his plan would be...#1 Brainwash the word of the church into the unsuspecting Africans. #2 Teach them that abstinence is the only way to go. <br /><br />Hmm....for some reason, I bet it won't work and would make the problem even worse. When are some people going to realize that humans LIKE to have s e x? You know, just like other animals do? And AND!!! WE HAVE THESE NEW FANDAGLED DEVICES TO STOP THE SPREAD OF DISEASE!!! WOW!! WHAT A CONCEPT!!! :eek: <br /><br />Dont need to hear the crap about "well we, as opposed to other animals, have the willpower to resist temptation". Go explain that to an African tribemember, I've heard it before...<br /><br />I mean, I honestly cannot beleive that any halfway intellegent, somewhat level-headed person would follow someone who says these things? I'm surprised the headline today isn't "Catholics leave the church in droves today". Please keep in mind that I'm not talking about beleif in God in general, just this situation.
 
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