A sport more exciting than boating! Wait until you see this!

jay_merrill

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Re: A sport more exciting than boating! Wait until you see this!

I think its the real deal. I've seen the wing suits before, just not this particular clip.

I've spent a significant portion of my life either riding in, or piloting aircraft, but would not do this for a million dollars! Even though that is true, however, from an aerodynamic standpoint, this makes perfect sense. All these guys have done is to figure out a way to turn their bodies in gliders.

They have bigger ____ than I do, that's for sure!
 

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Re: A sport more exciting than boating! Wait until you see this!

Make no mistake, these guys are NOT flying, they are falling with some ability to change the direction of the fall. Some of those camera angles made it look as though they are gliding along nearly horizontally, when they are actually falling down a very steep cliff face.

They are apparently very confident in their technology and abilities, or very foolish.

This little bit if info from a wingsuit manufacturer says it all...
"DO NOT attempt to land a wing suit without a fully inflated parachute."

Can you say "SPLAT!"
 

puddle jumper

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Re: A sport more exciting than boating! Wait until you see this!

Wonder how long the military has been using that suit to do under cover. Looks like it would be a rush.
 

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Re: A sport more exciting than boating! Wait until you see this!

"That's not flying . . . that's falling with style" - Woody from Toy Story
 
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No thanks. My body would have the glide characterstics of a bowling ball.
 

PaulyV

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Re: A sport more exciting than boating! Wait until you see this!

Mouth Wide Open watching the entire video.:eek: amazing courage
 

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Re: A sport more exciting than boating! Wait until you see this!

question is.......what does one do to practise that?????

there is a show called seconds from disaster........

one guy miscalculated.......good news is.....he lived......
 

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Re: A sport more exciting than boating! Wait until you see this!

In my opinion, they are flying as gliders, but with an extremely poor glide ratio. To me, there are two reasons why this is true - first, that there is a sustained forward component to their descent, and secondly, because they are able to control their flight.

There are also a few visual tips to confirm actual flight. At about 00:32, you can see the rate of descent lessen as the jumper transitions from freefall to extension of the arm and leg panels. At about 01:50 in the video, the jumper crosses an outcropping on the cliff and encounters an updraft. In watching this, you can see a change in attitude of his body, and a slight "flaring" of the flight profile. Finally, in the sequence between 03:00 and 03:25, it is clear that there is a forward component to the flight.

The reason why the suits can not be used for a landing, is because the glide ratio is so poor. Simply put, there isn't enough of an abilty to arrest rate of descent to a point where the landing would be soft enough to do, without injury. Unlike an airplane or glider, you can't "flare" to a degree sufficient to produce a soft landing.

This is also why sustained flight is not possible - unlike in a true glider, this suit does not provide a high enough glide ratio, to result in an increase in altitude in an updraft. In the wing suit, the rate of descent is much higher than the rate of ascent of any updraft that you might find. You just can't ride uplifts along ridges, or updrafts from convective air masses to greater altitudes, the way a glider can.

I still find these suits to be fascinating. They are not particularly efficient right now, but who knows - they might just get good enough to allow sustained flight at some point in time!
 

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Re: A sport more exciting than boating! Wait until you see this!

I think its the real deal. I've seen the wing suits before, just not this particular clip.

I've spent a significant portion of my life either riding in, or piloting aircraft, but would not do this for a million dollars! Even though that is true, however, from an aerodynamic standpoint, this makes perfect sense. All these guys have done is to figure out a way to turn their bodies in gliders.

They have bigger ____ than I do, that's for sure!

LOL phenolic balls?:D:D
 

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Re: A sport more exciting than boating! Wait until you see this!

Wonder how long the military has been using that suit to do under cover. Looks like it would be a rush.

That stuff would be good for the HALO jumps (High Altitude Low Opening) if that's indeed what they do in covert ops. That would get them on the ground right quick! But I guess freefall would to.
 

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Re: A sport more exciting than boating! Wait until you see this!

My boss is a sky diver. Obsessed with it. He brought his parachute in one day and I saw it sitting in a chair. About the size of a box of cereal.

No thanks.

Funny thing, he told me that the plane ride is 15 bucks whether you jump out or not. The pilot, after dumping the skydivers, noses straight down and makes a b-line for the runway to pick up more skydivers... he passes the divers on the way to the ground. He said the guys who opted to stay in the plane (usually on a dare) were so terrified from the flight down that they said they would never do it again and would much rather jump out of the plane.:D
 

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Re: A sport more exciting than boating! Wait until you see this!

In my opinion, they are flying as gliders, but with an extremely poor glide ratio. To me, there are two reasons why this is true - first, that there is a sustained forward component to their descent, and secondly, because they are able to control their flight.

There are also a few visual tips to confirm actual flight. At about 00:32, you can see the rate of descent lessen as the jumper transitions from freefall to extension of the arm and leg panels. At about 01:50 in the video, the jumper crosses an outcropping on the cliff and encounters an updraft. In watching this, you can see a change in attitude of his body, and a slight "flaring" of the flight profile. Finally, in the sequence between 03:00 and 03:25, it is clear that there is a forward component to the flight.

The reason why the suits can not be used for a landing, is because the glide ratio is so poor. Simply put, there isn't enough of an abilty to arrest rate of descent to a point where the landing would be soft enough to do, without injury. Unlike an airplane or glider, you can't "flare" to a degree sufficient to produce a soft landing.

This is also why sustained flight is not possible - unlike in a true glider, this suit does not provide a high enough glide ratio, to result in an increase in altitude in an updraft. In the wing suit, the rate of descent is much higher than the rate of ascent of any updraft that you might find. You just can't ride uplifts along ridges, or updrafts from convective air masses to greater altitudes, the way a glider can.

I still find these suits to be fascinating. They are not particularly efficient right now, but who knows - they might just get good enough to allow sustained flight at some point in time!

I sure agree with all YOU said,
looks (uneducated guess) like about a 1 to 15-20 glide ratio (1 out to 15-20 down), where as a small airplane can "glide in and flare" on a 6 to 1 with no power. (6 out and 1 down)

Those suits would have to improve the glide angle by at least 21-26 to 1 in order to match that same ability. As you mentioned, lift and or updrafting just cannot happen as the suit doesn't have sufficient area come up with enough lift to overcome the gravity that's acting on the body.
The winged parts would have to increase in surface enough to enable lift for the wingnut...er pilot, and in turn would rip off his arms, legs and more unnessesary parts in the process (natural streamlining to accomodate gravitational pull), and he is back to square one minus the parts, now he can't even navigate enough to aim for the soft grass at the bottom.:D

A good comparison for lift area needed would be to look at the wing area of a two seat aircraft. (a C 152 my favourite.)
Take off 100 square feet of wing area to eliminate for the engine weight and other extras and you are still looking at a humongous square footage to accomodate the pilot and his personal gear (brains and phenolic balls:eek:).

That is just not going to happen on a wing suit without structuring.

Besides that, the change in it self would render the wingsuit idea dead in the water as a catagory!

One way to "burn" off some fat though!:D

PH.
 

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Re: A sport more exciting than boating! Wait until you see this!

:eek::eek::eek:..Nothing like some JUDAS PRIEST to enhance ones viewing pleasures....Hail to the mighty Priest..(The music behind the video...perfect)
 
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