Advice about illegal fireworks

Kenny1970

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Re: Advice about illegal fireworks

Load the dog up and go for a ride until he is done.:D

I think this is the best advice.I would go over to the guys house and ask him to please call you before he starts because your dog freaks out and you want to load the dog up and ride untill he is done.

This would be the nice way to get your point across with out hurting any fealings.
Every man with a dog knows that when some one freaks out there dog it also freaks out the owner.

I have 6 dogs and it freaks them out to so I put them in the garage with the tv turned up.
Then I go over to the neighbors house and help the lite them to get it over faster.
If the cops show up I tell the neighbor thanks and good night and jump back over the fence and leave him with the ticket.

But my neighbor has is kind of smart and more than likely will not do the rockets this year because every thing is so dry right now and there has been fires almost every day on the side of the high way from poeple throwing or cigarettes.
 

rwise

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As long as he has things under control, I would not have a problem with his fireworks! Set back and enjoy the FREE show! Now I do hope he is smart enuf to think ahead because of the drought!!!!

I do not but rockets, had to many problems with them *misfiring* and going through the audience:eek:

I buy the illegal bigger stuff my self! (mostly artillery shells)

So does everyone in my hood,,,:cool:

I think the laws here are wrong!!!!

Do I want M80's back,,, No they are to big for kids, and for me all they do is go bang (no pretty)

Bottle rockets are another story, shake roofing should be baned, not bottle rockets!!!;)
 

waterinthefuel

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911 in my opinion may be a little extreme as you may be taking these guys away from life threatening situations if you call 911.


I know it sounds crazy, but when I had some neighbors in the apt above me playing music way too loud I called the police number directly and they told me to hang up and call 911. I told them that this was no emergency and they said it doesn't matter, it's the quickest way to get your call routed to where it needs to go.

Around here you use 911 for everything from debris in the road (I've done it myself) to loud neighbors.
 

SpinnerBait_Nut

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Yes, 911 is an emergency number, don't matter what it is, they can get hold of whoever it is that needs to take care of a certain problem, from cops to dog catchers and everything in between.
 

Haut Medoc

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I know it sounds crazy, but when I had some neighbors in the apt above me playing music way too loud I called the police number directly and they told me to hang up and call 911. I told them that this was no emergency and they said it doesn't matter, it's the quickest way to get your call routed to where it needs to go.

Around here you use 911 for everything from debris in the road (I've done it myself) to loud neighbors.
That is stupid....
Please tell me you didn't dial 911 & get routed back to the same person that told you to do that.....:rolleyes:
 
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I wonder if I would get in trouble if I shoot off several marine emergency flares?
 

kenimpzoom

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By actually having a conversation with the guy about your concerns, you could learn if he is commercially licensed and may have a permit for his display. Also, if any fires start, you can serve as a witness that you personally warned him of the fire danger.

Ken
 

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Assuming that the OP lives in a residential neighborhood, there is about a zero chance that the shooter, licensed or not, has been granted a permit to discharge that level of fireworks there. I think this for a number of reasons, starting with the fact that just isn't typically done. Add to that the fact that, when such permits are issued even in an appropriate place, there is usually a requirement to have one of more fire dept, personnel on site as monitors. There may also be a requirement to have apparatus at the site. It would be very unusual for a fire dept. to dilute its resources for someone's private party, on a night when much higher levels of fire service calls are the norm. And, while I don't believe he would have been able to gain fire marshall approval anyway, the 2003 nightclub fire ("The Station") in Rhode Island, in which 100 people lost their lives because someone decided to shoot some 15' gerbs in a room with an 8 foot ceiling, has pretty much assured extremely strict application of rules in regard to fire permits across the country.

I would also be extremely surprised if the neighbor is a licensed shooter simply because I have known a few and they understand clearly the dangers of these devices in the wrong environment. They also tend to be very cautious and don't randomly expose themselves to lawsuits, etc.

If anyone takes the time to look up the fire that I just referenced, they might say that the incident is extreme and not similar to what the neighbor is doing. Yes, The Station fire was extreme in it's result, but the fact of the matter is that a gerb could be somewhat fairly described as an overgrown sparkler. Danielle Biechele, the band manager who used the pyro, certainly didn't set out to burn a nighclub to the ground, kill a hundred people and injure a couple of hundred more in the process. He also didn't think this relatively benign device could do such a thing. But it did because it found a fuel source that wasn't anticipated. The same thing could happen in the OP's neighborhood. All it takes is for one of the rockets to misfire or explode prematurely. A low burst could very easily ignite something that would burn with enough intensity to trigger a chain reaction, igniting other objects, structures and so forth.

If I were "Mr Firecracker's" neighbors, who's homes could be collectively be worth many hundreds of thousands of dollars, his party would be over before it started. I might extend him the courtesy of politely telling him that his intentions were not OK but, beyond that, I wouldn't be nice about it. My position would simply be that I could take or leave his friendship, but that I had a responsibility to myself and my family to protect my home.
 
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Very well said my man. People dont seem to take into account that fireworks have a certain unpredictable nature and sometimes they will not work as planed. My wife said she liked the fireworks and I asked her if one went sideways and came through our living room would she also like that. Case made/thanks. I dont think any neighbor has the right to do something that is putting others at risk and waiting untill the unexpected occurs is TOO late.
 

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Thanks, Fairlaneman. I really don't think most people have much of an idea how many incidents there are each year with fireworks, nor do they understand just how dangerous some of the stuff that people are getting their hands on, really is.

I am somewhat aware of some of the technical and regulatory sides of it all because I worked in live music and theatre production for quite awhile. Whenever we did a show that involved pyro of any kind, we always had to get a permit. For the traveling Broadway, usually performed in local civic centers and the like, even an open flame rated a permit. At fairs and festivals, where food vendors were usually present, the same was true any time there was cooking or heating. Even Sterno cans used for heating rated not only a permit but a fire watch also.

When the R.I. incident happened, a lot of people in the business were ticked off. While there was certainly some sympathy for Daniel Biechele simply because he obviously had no idea that what happened would happen, many felt he should have known better. His first mistake was to involve himself in something that he was not trained to do. Had he been trained, he would not have been shooting 15' gerbs in that building. He also would have looked around first and the minute he saw sponge rubber, "egg crate" type sound insulation, he would have said "no way." My sympathy for him now, is that I can not imagine what it would be like to have to live with the loss of 100 people, just because you decided "it would be OK."

Once again, the example is extreme but the tragedies are all extreme when an errant bit of pyro finds something that will burn easily. They are also all extreme when something explodes prematurely and a person loses a hand or his/her life. The Brown brothers, who were killed along with three others in Bonita Springs, FL, were in their fifties and had been doing that sort of stuff for years for bands such as the Rolling Stones. They were experienced and weren't even doing anything special when the explosion occurred - just moving some boxes.

Anyway, I hope everyone has fun andd stays safe tonight. Happy 2008!


PS: You are exactly right about the "too late" part. It's really too late when the neighbor has managed to burn your house down and you find yourself sitting in a hotel and, eventually, a rented house for months, while you wait for an insurance settlement to rebuild your own home. Just think how much "fun" you will have when his insurance company denies any claims because he was breaking the law and yours fights with his, trying to subrogate your claim.
 

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LOL! I wish I had seen that at about midnight last night.
 

Nandy

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sooo, what happened? Did he went nuts or what?
 

jay_merrill

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Just as a current example of why this issue is real, last night in my area a woman woke up at 2:30am to go to work. When she did, she discovered that the roof of her building was on fire. Her smoke alarms did not go off because the fire was external and the smoke had not yet gotten inside. The fire was later determined to have been caused by fireworks used by some folks in the neighborhood.

Imagine what might have happened if she didn't have a job that required her to get up at 2:30 in the morning to be on time.
 

SgtMaj

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Soo... it didn't rain after all on the 31st (at least not here, so I'm assuming not there either... so what happened? Did he fire anything off at all? Did he get abducted by aliens? Just tell us what happened already? inquiring minds want to know!
 
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