Aerial Airborne Install Report

a-jive

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So, I got some help from the forum here during my run up to installing my new tower. In return, I had every intent of making a really nice install post with pics and all that. But, in the end, the stress of drilling holes in the hull, the longer than expected duration, a few rookie mistakes, etc. ended up ruining that plan. But I won't go without at least a little info here just for the archival aspect of do-it-yourself-ers.

The first couple steps; lining 'er up, getting access into the hull; was flawless-

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From there on, it was a little more challenging. I'm a pretty handy guy, and have taken on all kinds of projects; this was not the most challenging ever, but it was worse than I expected. Overall though, most of the difficulties came from the rookie mistakes previously mentioned (putting the back legs on the front, for example... didn't realize that till we couldn't get the top piece to fit, doh!). But some other challenges include measuring to get the thing symmetric, eyeballing the side rails so they are vertical, and most importantly, getting all of the joints to sit flush and tight.

In the end, you have literally dozens of degrees of freedom since all of the joints swivel, twist, and bend. When you are doing the final alignment, you have to get all of that to seat properly, make sure your side rails are vertical, and ensure your tow point in is the center and level. That's a little more complicated then the online instructions would have you believe. This is particularly true for the sucker holding the thing up for 20 minutes while you run around making adjustments (pick a friend with good shoulder and neck muscles!). I really wish I had a picture of that process!

The other note I can give is to remember to leave everything sort of loose. Every joint will need to be tweaked a couple times before you get it all perfect and are ready to start drilling holes in the H section up top. Once you get a bolt up there, you are set and your adjustment ability is pretty much done.

Now, don't let this dissuade you from taking this on yourself, these are just some thoughts to consider before starting. In the end it was all good.

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*That last picture is me being thrilled that the thing collapsed properly. If it's out of square at all it will bind... which would be a disaster for a guy like me who keeps their rig in the garage!

Some of the finer points: I used 1/4" starboard with lots of "Goop" epoxy for backing (get more epoxy than you think you need... put it on THICK. I wish I would've had more). The plates I used were 4.5"x7" nominal, and then I trimmed those down a bit where needed to fit in their respective spaces. I'm pretty confident in the strength, but we'll find out the true status as the summer wears on. I also used cheap deck plates to cover those giant holes in the bow I had to drill. I wen't 4.5" for the holes, but I could barely reach... go bigger if you have the space.

I think that's all I've got for you. Hopefully this helps someone along the way!
 

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It looks good!!
 

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I agree, it looks great. Bravo! Now onto speakers and wires through the thing!
 

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I have a Aerial Assault tower and the instructions SUCK BALLS to say the least! They didn't include any inventory list or printed instructions. I had to figure each part and bolt out on my own, thankfully I have mechanical and design degree. I haven't installed mine yet but hats of to you for getting yours on with out any guidance from Aerial. I have been trying to find what actual material to back it the support plates with, so can you explain the GOOP epoxy? What is its composition vs. Liquid Nails?
 

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I have a Aerial Assault tower and the instructions SUCK BALLS to say the least! They didn't include any inventory list or printed instructions. I had to figure each part and bolt out on my own, thankfully I have mechanical and design degree. I haven't installed mine yet but hats of to you for getting yours on with out any guidance from Aerial. I have been trying to find what actual material to back it the support plates with, so can you explain the GOOP epoxy? What is its composition vs. Liquid Nails?


Litigator,

Download the instructions from the website. Between the two sets, you will have it covered. Go to the website, follow the link for support, and then find the instructions.

I found marine plywood online. I have a bunch left. Let me know the side of plates you need.

I used PL Premium construction adhesive based on an old thread in here somewhere. I am happy with it. Its cheap and you used your caulking gun.

Let me know what other questions you have. That is my exact tower.


Here are some links with pics:

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=463147

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=485431
 

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Re: Aerial Airborne Install Report

I have a Aerial Assault tower and the instructions SUCK BALLS to say the least! They didn't include any inventory list or printed instructions. I had to figure each part and bolt out on my own, thankfully I have mechanical and design degree. I haven't installed mine yet but hats of to you for getting yours on with out any guidance from Aerial. I have been trying to find what actual material to back it the support plates with, so can you explain the GOOP epoxy? What is its composition vs. Liquid Nails?

Yeah, the instructions do kinda suck. As was said above, check out the online ones as well. They seem to be more complete and include torque values and such.

The Goop product I used was called super mend. It's a two part epoxy. I actually identified it from the Samson sports install video on you tube and then researched it a little more. Google it and check out the data sheet on it... it would appear to be the perfect product for this application (high compressive strength, chemical resistant, etc). Not sure how it stacks up to liquid nails, but I thought it was easy to use.

Good luck on the install. Go slow and take a break or two so you don't get tempted to rush! Best of luck!
 

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In hindsight, with the Assault, I should have got the sides vertical, and before drilling the holes in the upper bar, raise and lowered the upper bar a couple of times to help be sure the sides were true and I did not have an angle on the swivel part that allows the tower to be lowered.

Just an additional thought about what I would do differently.
 

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Thanks for the info on the Goop product! I think I will compare it to the PL premium & liquid nails. All have been used on towers but no feedback on which is best. I am sure one is better then the other.

I found the best instructions from Samson and reading a lot of posts and threads about tower installs. I plan to use exterior plywood which is basically the same as marine plywood except I think marine is covered in resin. I will have my boat level and ensure the sides are true 90 to the boat. I have a electronic calibrated angle finder that I can zero and obtain true degree to minutes scale. I think the install will go fine as I am planning a 2 day (8hr each day) install. I am wiring the light and speakers plus amp to my setup already. I also need to make an amp rack to hold both amps now. Anyhow glad your tower turned out great for you!
 

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Don't sweat the expoxy, its just their to fill in the gaps and extend the fiberglass. All three will work.

Marine plywood is not covered in resin. It just seems to use a higher grade layers of wood and more water resistant glue between them.

Should not get wet, so should not matter like it would with other marine applications more prone to frequently getting wet and drying over and over.
 

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I think the install will go fine as I am planning a 2 day (8hr each day) install. I am wiring the light and speakers plus amp to my setup already.

That's a damn fine plan. I thought it would take 5 or 6 hours... it ended up more like 6 on day one and 4 on day two. It sounds like you have all the details figured out. If you nail it, you could be done with the tower portion 4 or 5 hours (then maybe a couple more to clean up and lock-tight all of the set screws)... but the under-promise and over deliver scheme is a much better plan.

Post pics of the wiring process, if you don't mind. That's next winter's project!
 

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Post pics of the wiring process, if you don't mind. That's next winter's project!

I will def post pics of the wiring and amp install. As of now I have a Kenwood deck with four Kicker 6.5 coaxials and a Kicker 10" CVX with a 800W amp. So I will either run separate power wires or one with a distribution block. The Aerial bullet speakers are Polk and I think I figured out which amp to use on them. I will give the details in a week or two. I plan to install the tower and speakers end of next week or the week after depending on available time.
 

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Tower looks great. I'm in the process of installing our Aerial Airborne tower as well. Side rails are in, but I'm pulling speakers/light wiring through in conjunction with the install so that process has added a bit of time as we have done some loose fits of the rear legs & H section while we pulled wires.

But the part that has me scratching my head is the picture of your tower folded. How did you fold it with the front legs attached? Maybe it will make more sense as we get further along, but based on the website video & instructions they both clearly show you have to remove the front leg Allen bolts, loosen the rear Allen bolt, rotate back, then remove the allen bolts in the H section & pivot the arms forward. I would love if the tower can infact fold with front & rear legs bolted as I can imagine there will be no shortages of scratches to both the boat & the tower by having to remove the legs every time
 

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Nevermind. I looked at the picture closer & see the front legs are detached. At first look I thought they were still on the front hinges.

Any rate, to avoid the scratching issue, I'm hoping my 6 year old will be outgrown from he wetsuit this season. If so, I'm going to cut the legs off of it & use them as neoprene socks. I'm pretty sure the legs or the arms will be small enough diameter to provide a snug fit.
 

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I have reviewed the following bonding agents for tower installs and need a little help deciding which one to use:

1. Goop SuperMend or Goop Marine Fix
2. Liquid Nails Heavy Duty
3. Loctite PL Premium

Can anybody advise on which is the best for tower installation?
 
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Litigator - My vote goes to a two part epoxy every time. Epoxy's are foolproof and sets up nice and hard and bonds exceptionally well. The Liquid Nails and Loctite are described and construction materials. That doesn't get me too jazzed up about putting that on a boat.

I have used the SuperMend before on a tower install and found it to be a great product. I had no issues with gel coat cracking over the years I had the boat. I did shape the plywood (sanded it, you may have to go with thicker plywood if you have a larger contour) to the inner hull contour and used the SuperMend to fill in the gaps and bond the plywood to the boat hull. I would recommend at least 1/2" thick plywood and shape it if your hull has significant curvature and cover as much area of the hull as you can get away with.

a-jive - looks like you're set up to have some serious fun on the lake this summer! Enjoy!
 

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I can't comment on the other two, but pl premium did just fine with me. It was easy to use, tacky enough that it did not make a huge mess, and it has dried nice and hard. It seemed to fill the space between my backing plates and the boat really well. It comes in a caulking tube so you use your caulking gun, making it easy to apply.

Also, no mixing. Just cut, squeeze, and go. Put it on the plate, tighten down most the way, let dry over night, then torque away.
 

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a-jive - looks like you're set up to have some serious fun on the lake this summer! Enjoy!

Oh yeah!! That Columbia river snow melt along with sub 80 degree air temps are slowing me down though. The spring wetsuit isn't cutting it yet. It's hard to ride with numb hands and feet!

I have reviewed the following bonding agents for tower installs and need a little help deciding which one to use:

1. Goop SuperMend or Goop Marine Fix
2. Liquid Nails Heavy Duty
3. Loctite PL Premium

Can anybody advise on which is the best for tower installation?

I think you are sweating it too much! I've seen all those products used and have yet to hear of one failing. I landed on the super mend because of the published compressive strength, but again, I've never heard of liquidnails truing to dust and chipping out. You probably can't go wrong with any of those products. Just get that tower on your boat!!
 
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