Ahoy ... Amsoil is not alone anymore

[pecheux]

Hold your fire ... Amsoil is no longer alone in selling a 100:1 mix type oil. "NEMCO" is the name.

http://www.nemco.mb.ca/pds/outboard.pdf

With just about the same specs too ... color and all ... LOL

Get the popcorn, pop a beer ... start printing the reward posters ... LOL

Have fun ... LOL

 

[CATransplant]

Re: Ahoy ... Amsoil is not alone anymore

Yah, there's always a new fad in lubricants. Ask them if they'll pay for your burnt-out outboard, no questions asked. I guarantee they won't. If your outboard calls for 50:1, put 50:1 in it and skip the fad lubricant. Use quality outboard oil, of whatever brand you prefer.

 

[JB]

Re: Ahoy ... Amsoil is not alone anymore

What CAT said.

 

[rusirius]

Re: Ahoy ... Amsoil is not alone anymore

I think something got lost in the translation here... Nowhere in that document does it tell you to run 100:1... It simply says that it is for USE in mixtures UP TO 100:1... In fact it even gives charts for mixing at 20,30,40, and 50 to one... It also specifically states to make sure to follow the engine manufacturers recommendation on fuel ratio...

 

[pecheux]

Re: Ahoy ... Amsoil is not alone anymore

I started this tread as a joke ... as a follow up to reading so much Amsoil 100:1 related topics on these boards ... not an oil war ... LOL

For a Northern lake anti-polution project related to the usage (elimination of) of 2 cycle OB's I ran test with my own motors using the 80:1 and the 100:1 mix. It seemed to do the job fine for the average small lake styled usage.

Would I use that 100:1 mix on an ocean fishing boat heading out 24 miles from shore ... nope since I dont think this lean mix is designed for such hard work ... 80:1 perhaps ... but for light boating I seemed to me to be a reasonable responsible approach to protecting nature.

Cheers.

PS: the project was to cancel a decision to forbid all 2 cycle outboard from the lake. E-tech being the cleanest OB at the moment ... we ended up with a 2 cycle VS 4 cycle war ... LOL 100:1 mix will delay the decision.

 

[pecheux]

Re: Ahoy ... Amsoil is not alone anymore

Yah, there's always a new fad in lubricants. Ask them if they'll pay for your burnt-out outboard, no questions asked. I guarantee they won't. If your outboard calls for 50:1, put 50:1 in it and skip the fad lubricant. Use quality outboard oil, of whatever brand you prefer.

I am a sucker for lubricant developpement and under dogs. The 2 cycle oil that impressed me most was the 100:1 red oil made by McCullogh way back then ... I owned a 9 hp McCullogh at the time (ex Scott Atwater)

 

[kenmyfam]

Re: Ahoy ... Amsoil is not alone anymore

Yah, there's always a new fad in lubricants. Ask them if they'll pay for your burnt-out outboard, no questions asked. I guarantee they won't. If your outboard calls for 50:1, put 50:1 in it and skip the fad lubricant. Use quality outboard oil, of whatever brand you prefer.

I'm with you on this one !!!!

 

[capped]

Re: Ahoy ... Amsoil is not alone anymore

supertech walmart burns clean

 

[freddyray21]

Re: Ahoy ... Amsoil is not alone anymore

fully synthetic is bio degradable and less smoke.

 

[pecheux]

Re: Ahoy ... Amsoil is not alone anymore

I ran some test for the lakefront owners running my OB's in a big plastic (or whatever) garbage bucket using different type of outboard oil so as to see what the exhaust residues would be left on the barrel and on the water after running the motors for approx 10 minutes.

Regular oil = big black oil ring + oily water top
Amsoil HPI = lighter and less ring + much cleaner water
Amsoil Saber = hardly any ring + almost clean water

Pretty convincing for an anti-polution project and in the event that the motor wears faster ... which is probably the case ... IMO it may be the price to pay as our contribution to cleaner waters for our grand-children.

But nobody has to buy that ... it's personal.

 

[Vlad D Impeller]

Re: Ahoy ... Amsoil is not alone anymore

Troll

 

[pecheux]

Re: Ahoy ... Amsoil is not alone anymore

Troll

LOL

 

[wbeaton]

Re: Ahoy ... Amsoil is not alone anymore

I ran some test for the lakefront owners running my OB's in a big plastic (or whatever) garbage bucket using different type of outboard oil so as to see what the exhaust residues would be left on the barrel and on the water after running the motors for approx 10 minutes.

Regular oil = big black oil ring + oily water top
Amsoil HPI = lighter and less ring + much cleaner water
Amsoil Saber = hardly any ring + almost clean water

Pretty convincing for an anti-polution project and in the event that the motor wears faster ... which is probably the case ... IMO it may be the price to pay as our contribution to cleaner waters for our grand-children.

But nobody has to buy that ... it's personal.

Were these all mixed to the same ratio?

 

[pecheux]

Re: Ahoy ... Amsoil is not alone anymore

Were these all mixed to the same ratio?

No ... Petroleum oil and HPI @ 50:1 Saber @ 80:1

I suspect your question is related to the difference in volume of oil ... nevertheless the test meant to see the oil residues after running 10 minutes whatever the oil type as a guide to residues in any lake after 3 to 4 hours of trolling. (as an example) This was in no way a promotion for that 100:1 Saber oil although it was the winner in that particular test. Actualy I was hoping to get a bio-degradable oil from Shell made for a normal 50:1 mix but that oil is not available in America.

My posts may sound familiar ... but I have been working at this project for several years trying to extend the 2 cycle OB ban. I dont get paid for this ... my son has a waterfront house on that lake and one of my fishing boats is permanently at his place ... with a 2 cycle OB on it. LOL

 

[Stromzilla]

Re: Ahoy ... Amsoil is not alone anymore

I started this tread as a joke ... as a follow up to reading so much Amsoil 100:1 related topics on these boards ... not an oil war ... LOL

For a Northern lake anti-polution project related to the usage (elimination of) of 2 cycle OB's I ran test with my own motors using the 80:1 and the 100:1 mix. It seemed to do the job fine for the average small lake styled usage.

Would I use that 100:1 mix on an ocean fishing boat heading out 24 miles from shore ... nope since I dont think this lean mix is designed for such hard work ... 80:1 perhaps ... but for light boating I seemed to me to be a reasonable responsible approach to protecting nature.

Cheers.

PS: the project was to cancel a decision to forbid all 2 cycle outboard from the lake. E-tech being the cleanest OB at the moment ... we ended up with a 2 cycle VS 4 cycle war ... LOL 100:1 mix will delay the decision.

But the 100:1 Saber is designed for hard work. I've been running the 100:1 in my air-cooled engines for years and it continues to amaze me. The compression in all my engines using this oil is unbelievable especially my 15 year old trimmer. And by the way these little engines work a lot harder and hotter than your liquid-cooled outboards. I'm about to purchase a runabout with an older outboard and the first thing it will get is a thorough Seafoam cleaning, complete fuel flush, and most definitely a fresh mix of Saber 100:1 oil/fuel mix. This oil has made a believer out of me. Something else everyone should understand, when an oil is qualified to a given specification it has to be done at a ratio that far exceeds the rated ratio. So for the Saber 100:1 I'm guessing the oil was qualified at 150:1 or better. And believe me the newer specifications are tough.

 

[CATransplant]

Re: Ahoy ... Amsoil is not alone anymore

Another 100:1 thread, eh.

NOW HEAR THIS!
Run whatever the heck you want in your own outboard, but please refrain from recommending 100:1 to other boaters on this forum. Unless you are personally prepared to pay for damage caused by your advice, please belay that advice.

Your personal (and limited) experience with using some oil or another at 100:1 is meaningless when it comes to making recommendations to others. No harm will ever be done to someone's outboard by following manufacturer recommendations as to fuelil ratio. The same cannot be said for unsupported claims, backed by limited experience, for 100:1 mixtures of some proprietary oil.

If someone wants to avoid pollution, they can used the biodegradeable TCW3 outboard oils. They're more expensive, but they are an option that is available.

So, please refrain from making any recommendations here other than manufacturer specifications for fuelil mixtures.

THAT IS ALL.

 

[Stromzilla]

Re: Ahoy ... Amsoil is not alone anymore

OK captain. I removed the recommendation...didn't mean to offend anyone based off my "limited experience". I'll be more careful next time.

 

[pecheux]

Re: Ahoy ... Amsoil is not alone anymore

Mr Moderator ... please remove this tread ... it started as what I thought would create some laughts ... not as a base for an oil war ...

thank you

 

[pecheux]

Re: Ahoy ... Amsoil is not alone anymore

Another 100:1 thread, eh.

NOW HEAR THIS!
Run whatever the heck you want in your own outboard, but please refrain from recommending 100:1 to other boaters on this forum. Unless you are personally prepared to pay for damage caused by your advice, please belay that advice.

Your personal (and limited) experience with using some oil or another at 100:1 is meaningless when it comes to making recommendations to others. No harm will ever be done to someone's outboard by following manufacturer recommendations as to fuelil ratio. The same cannot be said for unsupported claims, backed by limited experience, for 100:1 mixtures of some proprietary oil.

If someone wants to avoid pollution, they can used the biodegradeable TCW3 outboard oils. They're more expensive, but they are an option that is available.

So, please refrain from making any recommendations here other than manufacturer specifications for fuelil mixtures.

THAT IS ALL.

Sir ... how about checking my other tread "Anyone ever made a claim to Amsoil" perhaps YOU could give the feedback I need ... noboby else has ... Tx

 

[CATransplant]

Re: Ahoy ... Amsoil is not alone anymore

I read that thread, and commented in it.