air-power outboards??

Squeakit

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In the Old Outboard Book, there are 3 diffferent brands of OB that used an airplane style prop to push a small boat Aerothrust, Air-boy, and Airdrive. The airboat motors I've seen are pretty big with full size airplane props and look like serious business, but these were evidently little air-cooled low hp kickers that you could stick on the back of your boat and go fishing. Has anyone ever heard of these or seen one? Did they actually push a boat. Doesn't seem like a small prop would push enough air to move a boat very well. Would be tempting to get a chainsaw/weedeater type motor and mount a prop but I wonder if this would do anything more than sit there and make noise.
 

walleyehed

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I've been flying giant scale R/C for about 10yrs., and a chainsaw motor only swings a prop (18-20") about 6000RPM equating to around 16-22lbs of thrust.....extremely noisey, and would be very slow. There are however, model aircraft engines (Gas) that put out 15-18HP, that will swing 28-32" props about the same RPM creating near 100lbs. of thrust but these engines are from 1500$-4000$........... :)
 

Squeakit

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Thanks for the replies, guys. I saw these in the book and just wondered if they worked - they must have done SOMETHING, but obviously not much or they would still be around. Quite rare, I understand, although a small air-prop type motor was supposedly manufactured up thru the '60's. Weedeater/chainsaw motor sounds like a bad idea and I sure as H can't afford to pay 4 figures for a model airplane engine. Suppose one of those engines off a powered hang glider would push a boat, but more trouble and $ than it's worth.
 

walleyehed

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The last few words of your post pretty much say it all............... :) :)
 

Just Jed

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Pops had an vessel with a piper cub engine with airoplane prop did over 40 mph. That was in the 50's. Called them Ice scoots. Not much more than a flat bottom punt with an airoplane type rudder and a metal skate to steer. Used them when the water was too hard for a boat and too soft for the dog sled. Thanks. You sparked a great memory.
 

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Middleground <br /> That show stared Dennis Weaver and yes he drove an air boat. The little boy with Ben the bear is Ron Howard's(Richie Cunninham/Opie Taylor) brother. <br /> Boone was the name of the guy with the swamp buggy. <br /><br /> About the weedwaker for an airboat. You might be able to go 4 MPH with a 5 MPH tail wind.
 

Delta Dog

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Hey all,<br /><br />We use fans for bowfishing the shallows. I have an 1860 CC jon boat with a 70hp Johnson. Right in front of the johnson is mounted a 13hp honda engine with a 36" composite prop. I can steer and throttle it from the front platform of the boat. At idle it pushes us at approx. 3 mph (a brisk walking speed) and approx. 6 mph at full throttle (2200 rpm).<br /><br />You could rig a fan up for well under $1000 if you are resourceful and didn't mind a used engine.<br /><br />Check out www.bowfishtexas.com to see several of these type rigs.
 

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Hi Squeakit,<br /> I have, and have run, a 1957 Dragonfly 2hp air-prop outboard. It's not a screamer (in the speed sense) but it does move the boat along alright. Marginally less speed than a regular little 2hp kicker, but with a lot more noise and less positive control. It's great for the shallows as you can run in whatever the boat will float in...<br />- Scott
 

Squeakit

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Hey guys: Thanks for all the replies. Just looked up the Dragonfly in Hunn's book and it shows a Power Products lawnmower engine with a truck radiator fan attatched and enclosed in a little wire cage. Book says they were made from '54 to '64 in 2 to 5hp range. Looks easy enough to build and would be a real conversation piece on the back of my little jon boat <G> I've already got an air-cooled Tanaka 3hp engine that I could maybe put a fan on - anyway, I guess it is possible and would be a real hoot. Something for me to think about. What about standing in the back of the boat with a good powerful leaf-blower? Hmm... an air-powered jet boat <GGG>
 

mudcat1

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Hey Squeakit! I think you're on track with the leaf blower.Unless you wanna spent alot just put a couple of poles upright on your boat and hang up a sheet and steer with a paddle.
 

clanton

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A guy down the street has small jon-boat with 12-18 horse Briggs or some other brand engine, looks like prop is about 3 ft also looks like factory made prop. The best one I seen was a small john boat with 110 volt box fan being powered with Honda generator. Use to be company in Texas that made all sizes of props.
 

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I have an old motor in my attic that has the name "Air Boy" on it It has a plate on it showing it was made in St Louis, Mo and has a model number and serial number It has a small gasoline motor and a one blade air craft type prop. The prop is enclosed similar to a fan. It is started with a rope and has a throttle lever and tiller handle. I had it started and mounted it on a 14' bateau about 20 years ago. It would push the boat about as fast as I could walk. It made a hell of a noise, but it was a good sound. I ran it several times and then put it in the attic. I let a man that was interested in it take a few months ago, but he could never get it started. I haven't tried myself. I think it sould be in a museum somewhere and am willing to donate it to the right place if anyone has any suggestions
 

Skeeterbait

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Somewhere around 30 to 35 years ago the Department of Conservation in our state tried out a airplaned prop device like I think you are talking about. They mounted them on 14 foot flat bottom aluminum boats. As memory serves, they had 18 horse power 4 stroke air cooled electric start engines. A propeller maybe 4 feet long was attached directly to the motor shaft and housed inside a wire cage. The whole device, engine and wire cage pivoted on a shaft for direction and was steered by a series of cables to a stick steer device. It was heavy, noisy, and took a lot of strength to steer. Top speed was maybe 12 miles per hour. Needless to say they weren't used very much.
 

Billet Works

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I used a Honda 200cc three wheeler engine with a chain drive to a 36" prop from tennessee props on a 14' Jon boat. Worked like a champ. I've seen a Lot of boats with small 5hp briggs fans as well. Bowfishing guys rig some pretty sweet stuff :)
 

Bob_VT

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Gentlemen/Ladies you have taken a NINE year old thread from the archives and added to it!

While we encourage participation ........... PLEASE do not answer old threads and do not be shy to start a new one!!

Welcome to iboats.
 

Silvertip

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The airplane in my picture is a 1/4 scale Decathlon and is powered by a 30cc Homelite leaf blower engine converted with electronic ignition. It swings an 18 x10P prop at 7100 RPM. The airplane weighs 19 pounds and is not over powered by any means. Mounted on a boat it would create enough breeze to keep the bugs away and perhaps barely move the boat on a day with no wind. Otherwise the boat would make a good engine test stand.
 

Home Cookin'

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All I can think about is one time casting and getting your line caught in the fan. That would cure you right quick of this notion.

In the old days, OB motors were small and speed was uncommon, so an air prop, doing what a trolling motor does now, was of interest. Same with that hand-crank motor. No need now.

As for the leaf blower, stick the nozzle underwater and have a jet boat. And fair warning: if I ever hear a leaf blower out on the water I will ram your vessel. I can't abide those infernal things on land and go boating to get away from them. Govern your actions accordingly.

Sorry Bob but it's an interesting topic and clearly timeless; I know I don't go 9 years back to find such things.
 

scoutabout

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The airplane in my picture is a 1/4 scale Decathlon and is powered by a 30cc Homelite leaf blower engine ....

I am going to compound the sin of resurrecting an ancient threat by highjacking said thread....:D

Silvertip - do you have any video on youtube or such of that airplane flying? Looks really cool and I'd love to show my son.

We've just gotten into the hobby and have a Hobbyzone Supercub with the electric motor which I promptly attached floats to, then almost as promptly augered into the lake at speed.

Water is amazingly hard on model airplanes when you smack them with it, no? :) Luckily, almost all the bits and pieces can be ordered separately...
 
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i have a thread on this atm. search homemade outboard. i may plan to make a dedicted thread for it as the first few pages i really wasnt sure what i was going to do
 
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