Alaska shutdown

ZmOz

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kenimpzoom said:
In case you guys dont read, the high prices are because of speculation. There is no other reason. You can only blame the speculators and no one else.

And that's the problem. We need to eliminate this bull****. Oil companies do what they can to manipulate the speculators, this pipeline shutdown being a perfect example. As rodbolt pointed out, BP waited until their pipe was old and leaky before fixing it. If they really wanted to they could have fixed and/or prevented this problem long ago, but they make more money by letting it become a problem.

The final result was, BP shut down their line, oil prices went up, there fore, BP is controlling oil prices through the speculators.
 

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BTW, I understood about the different grades, but my point about the Garmin software was that there are not 100s of mini oil markets. There is one big one.

I just don't subscribe to the they're all evil mantra. I save that label and wrath for murderers . . . I am sure all of you price to what the market will bear, you capitalist pigs!!
 

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The Big Oil Execs. are getting 50 mill. in bonus money.
I think I'll blame them.

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ZmOz

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QC said:
I am sure all of you price to what the market will bear, you capitalist pigs!!

I do...but my business isn't a government sponsored monopoly either. Oil companies are not on a level playing field, and thus, they need to be held to different standards than you and I.
 

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[quote QC] Actually, you use the Post Reply button < from the post you want to quote.[/quote]

Thanks
 

Plainsman

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I for one do NOT want the gov't involed in this. Isn't that what happened when Carter was in charge?
And I agee with Ken "In case you guys dont read, the high prices are because of speculation"

BTW, how do you get that quote thing in you post?
 

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eepks said:
BTW, how do you get that quote thing in you post?

Like this . . . :p










Actually, you use the Post Reply button < from the post you want to quote.
 

ZmOz

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They just said on the news that BP hadn't inspected this line ONCE in 16 years. They did this on purpose, plain and simple.

I'm shocked that there are no regulations requiring at least yearly inspections.
 

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This might help: From Tony Snow:
Q Tony, to what extent has the President gotten involved in this Alaska oil pipeline stoppage, and how concerned are you about the impact on people who are already hard-pressed by what they're already paying for gasoline?

MR. SNOW: A couple of points. Sam Bodman did a press conference on this not too long ago, and apparently, at this point, the supplies are -- we're actually in a pretty good supply situation, but he has also said that the Strategic Petroleum Reserve would be made available if necessary. But it looks like we're running some, like, 5 million barrels a day, in terms of supplies, better than we were at this point last year.

Having said that, what's going on, really, is the result of some actions the administration took a while ago. And I'll give you a little bit of a timetable that helps you put this in context. There was a leak discovered by a BP crew in March, on March 2nd. That's the first leak of the pipeline that we know of. Shortly after that, the pipeline and hazardous materials safety administration issued an enforcement action directing BP to improve corrosion management on some of those pipelines. Later on it followed up with a series of other guidelines, including trying to make sure that there was what they called pipeline inspection gauges -- PIGs, in the parlance -- to try to figure out the integrity of those pipelines. That led to the discovery a few days ago of weakness in some of the pipelines, which has led to the interruption.

Now, our first priority is to make sure that there is continued safe operation of the pipelines coming out of the North Slope. The Department of Transportation has a team of investigators onsite, right now, to assess the situation. They're going to have an evaluation. They are issuing new compliance orders -- statutorily you can do that -- and they've already issued two compliance orders, I just mentioned that, the one in March and a follow-on in July. They're going to outline steps that the company has to take to make sure that the pipelines are safe to be carrying oil.

We're happy that BP finally is making progress in addressing concerns which have been discussed with it in the past. And we're also in the process of accelerating the rule-making process that would enable the creation of a robust regulatory regime over those pipelines. As you probably know, the low-pressure pipelines -- and that's what these are, these are relatively low-volume pipelines -- have not had the kind of federal oversight that the high-volume pipelines have had. And the administration is working quickly to get that into place.

At this point, obviously -- we've also been working with -- we've had contact with the governments of Saudi Arabia and Mexico. If there are supply shortages, they have agreed to help us in trying to address those. At this point, no refineries have reported shortages in petroleum, but, obviously, if those become a factor, we will address it and address it vigorously and in a timely manner.
 

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I will say this again, knowing full well it will fall on deaf ears:
The systems we rely apon need to be changed.
We are falling in to the trap all "empires" fall in to, and we are paralized with the detail and blame game to make the major shifts that are required to ensure our future.
The tail is wagging the dog.
Cheers
Phillip
 

Dunaruna

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[colour=blue]and all this time I thought oil PREVENTED corrosion.................
 

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eepks said:
[quote QC] Actually, you use the Post Reply button < from the post you want to quote.

Thanks[/quote]

cool !

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JasonJ

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Eepks' post is an example of what I am talking/whining/complaining about. The refineries have reported no issue on incoming oil, we have the ability to resolve a shortage of incoming oil, yet these "speculators" are running around "speculating" us out of our hard earned loot.

Like I said, I don't even care that I have to pay a certain price if I know the reason is a fair, real reason. The last few years have shown us that the speculation process is seriously flawed and needs attention. They do not speculate on fact, they shoot from the hip. My gas prices shot up 10 cents less than 24 hours after the switch was flipped in Alaska. I am hard pressed to believe that the data was corrolated that fast and it was concluded that we will for certain be in a shortage/crisis situation. Again, market manipulaiton.

I had just filled my gas tanks prior to this newest spincter rape, my hope is I can ride through this spell of price gouging like I did post Katrina...
 

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Other examples of speculators controlling the market:

Gold
Housing
Stock Markets (remember the dotcom crash)

These things also effect you, but you dont see them easily.

Anyone else remember when oil was 8 dollars a barrel in 1999. This too was caused by the speculators.

Also, if you do some math, you will find out that BP will lose money in their pipeline messup. They will lose 400,000 bbls/day * 75 = big bucks. The dollar or so increase in the price of oil wont negate that.

Stop sounding like you are victims. Its worse than me ranting about banks, the true evil corporations of America d:):}

Ken
 

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Pipeline corrosion is a major problem in the oilfield. Oil is only part of what comes out of the ground, there is water and gas. The water is usually high salt and very corrosive. The gas can also contain CO2 and H2S both very corrosive gases.

Ken
 

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JasonJ said:
Like I said, I don't even care that I have to pay a certain price if I know the reason is a fair, real reason.

I agree completely. I don't have that much of a problem with $3 gas and it hasn't changed my driving or boating habbits at all. What pisses me off, is I know it doesn't cost anywhere near $3 to pump a gallon out of the ground, refine it, and then ship it to me. Oil companies simply don't deserve all that money, because they haven't earned it.

Does anybody know what the ACTUAL cost is to pump a gallon of oil out of the ground, ship it to a refinery, refine it, and then ship it to a gas staion?
 

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Profit margins on the major oil companies is running 10-15% right now. Please define what profit level all companies deserve. Banks make 25%. I think they are more evil cause all they do is hold money. They dont do anything at all.

I guess all those people that have oil wells on their land dont really deserve that royalty check either. JB, you need to hand yours over.

I guess all those gold rush people in 1849 didnt deserve their big rewards either. All they did was use a pan to find gold.

Commodity products are a gamble. Sometimes you win big, sometimes you loose big. They lost big when it was 8 dollars a barrel 7 short years ago. Now they are winning big.

Ken
 

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I think people selling junk on ebay for big profits is wrong. All they have to do is dig stuff out of the dump, take some pics and post it on the net. They are taking advantage of people who trully need this stuff to fix their cars/boats/etc.

There is no way they deserve those big of profits. They should be limited to making one hundred dollars profit per month. That is the only way to be fair. 8)

Ken
 
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