Almost official

angus63

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Re: Almost official

I would like to thank all of the tax paying public(especially my iboats companions) for their part in providing this stimulus package to pay for my 2008 SUPERBOWL CHAMPION NEW YORK GIANTS season tickets this summer!!!! : )
 

v1_0

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Re: Almost official

Good point there v1_0, I wonder if you would have to report that on your 2008 return as taxable income or non-taxable(gift). I hopes it the latter.

Ahh... neither. The income would be taxed at your tax bracket. The gift would not be taxed. The third - and more likely - is an 'early tax refund'. Here's an example of the three:

Let's say you can figure out your 2008 well enough ahead of time so that you neither owe taxes or overpay. So that when you send the tax forms in, your payments throughout the year match what you need to pay in taxes. [This is before the rebate/whatever].

Now, if the 'rebate' is in the first category (taxable income) - your income is increased by 300$ (or whatever you get). Theoretically you should pay tax on some percentage of that - but maybe not if it dosn't bump you enough. Worst case, you now owe 90$ (.30% tax bracket). However - the government has just decreased their revenue by 210-300$.

If the 'rebate' is in the second category (non taxable) then your taxes won't change and the government decreases their revenue by 300$.

Now, if it's the last case - an early tax refund - which is what happened the last time, then when you calculate your taxes there will be a line *after all the deductions, etc* that in effect adds the 300$ back in. In the case of the example above you would now owe the government 300$!! Since you aren't getting a refund on your actual taxes but did get a 300$ early tax refund check. From the government's perspective, their revenue isn't decreased. This is classic borrowing from Peter to pay Paul. This is why it can be voted in so quickly - the only government budget impact is loss of interest on the money.

What's really funny here is that the government is making each of us 'loan' ourselves money... In reality, many people overpay and get refunds when tax time rolls around. This just will decrease the size of those refunds. Now, for the people who don't get refunds - or are really close - this will increase the payment at tax time...

Now, I'm sure that there is some fineprint so that people under a certain threshold will get their money free and clear. But it probably won't be 300$, either.

-V
 

Bob Fort

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Re: Almost official

While I appreciate the judicious use of the soon-to-be-received-at-home government monies described above, I wonder just if some tax breaks or incentives targetting businesses make up the sectors of the economy that need stimulation might be a more effective and efficicnt approach to energizing our economy....

Apologies if I put forth an actual idea.... I'm just a retired school superintendent who feels one should identify the specific problem, then apply potential remedies to the area(s) identified.

Oh, and after some specific time, I suggest assessing the impact of the remedy applied to the problem.

As I reread what I wrote, it seems so 70's. Maybe RFP's screened by a committee, visits to the work site, round table assessment cycle, written project book, environmentakl implications reported to the commuinity, architectural resubmissing
 

SgtMaj

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Re: Almost official

I'd be careful about rushing out - you should make sure that you won't owe the money back later...

If this is like it was the last time what you are getting is "an early tax overpayment refund" for 2008. That's fine and good if you overpay your taxes (or will for 2008). If not, you should put the money in the bank for when you do your 2008 taxes.

Kinda reminds me of that joke: two friends are on their way to a bar and take a shortcut. Half way there they are stopped by a man with a gun who demands their money. The first friend turns to the second, gives him 50$, and says - here's that 50$ that I owe you. The robber blinks, smiles, then takes out 300$, gives it to the second man and makes the first man borrow it...

-V


Between my college student deductions, my kid, and my having claimed no witholdings, I always overpay by a few thou anyway.
 

SS MAYFLOAT

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Re: Almost official

Mine will be going to dockage this season.....Finally I'll have my summer home/boat back on the water. :D
 

pduquette

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Re: Almost official

Already bidding on "Economic Stimulis Package" 2nd project boat-using in hand '07 fed refund:D Any extra in may/ june will probably get me a new mattress(to rest my weary *ss) beats a big screen at wallyworld:redface:
 

SgtMaj

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Re: Almost official

Already bidding on "Economic Stimulis Package" 2nd project boat-using in hand '07 fed refund:D Any extra in may/ june will probably get me a new mattress(to rest my weary *ss) beats a big screen at wallyworld:redface:

A word of advise on the matresses... those all memory foam matresses are completely worth the price and then some! :)

My wife and I got one last year, and apart from wishing we had gone with the california king size instead of the ex-long queen... we love it.
 

pduquette

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Re: Almost official

Yea, But dose it have any good place to hide the x-tra money???OH wait Unca sammy will take care of it!:D
 

SgtMaj

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Re: Almost official

Yea, But dose it have any good place to hide the x-tra money???OH wait Unca sammy will take care of it!:D

I thought that's what the mason jars burried in the backyard were for...
 

gonefishie

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Re: Almost official

Well I sure hopes it's not an "early tax refund" because that is just plain stupid. 99% of the population will not know that it's a loan and they will have to pay it back. I'll just throw mine in a saving account if it's just a loan.
 

cbavier

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Re: Almost official

A word of advise on the matresses... those all memory foam matresses are completely worth the price and then some! :)

My wife and I got one last year, and apart from wishing we had gone with the california king size instead of the ex-long queen... we love it.

Are you referring to the temperPedic or just temperpedic style mattresses?
 

bekosh

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Re: Almost official

I found out today that beer went up. It's 21.50 for a case of bud now. I guess my stimulus package will go to the liquor stores. lol
My god!:eek: That's outragous!

















For that price you could buy a case of good beer.:p
 
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