(Almost) Time to Simplify

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Does a mid cabin like this 26 footer look easy to access ? It's the best I have seen for this size boat. Just curious ,your thoughts.

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Yeah, slip, looks great in fact. What is it?

I spend a lot of time browsing boattrader and yachtworld as I think of models to research. Lotsa pics there.

Found a boat comparable in layout to those 26' Bayliners, too. The same vintage (early 2000's) Wellcraft 2600 Martiniques are laid out almost identically. Even the 26' Wellcraft Coastals (walkaround cuddies) have most of what I want. I'm steadily assembling a 'watch out for one of these locally' list.

I'm having fun with this- how about you guys?
 

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Yeah, slip, looks great in fact. What is it?

I spend a lot of time browsing boattrader and yachtworld as I think of models to research. Lotsa pics there.

Found a boat comparable in layout to those 26' Bayliners, too. The same vintage (early 2000's) Wellcraft 2600 Martiniques are laid out almost identically. Even the 26' Wellcraft Coastals (walkaround cuddies) have most of what I want. I'm steadily assembling a 'watch out for one of these locally' list.

I'm having fun with this- how about you guys?

It is always fun helping someone else spend money on a boat! In '67 I broke my back after jumping out of an airplane~~ damn those sudden stops! Ended up in a similar but different situation. I can pay for all maintenance, bought an indoor dry slip, and etc because I can no longer trailer. Launching and retrieving even a small boat became out of the question. I thought long and hard of what I really needed and want as you have done. My boat is my toy, wifey not a boat person. 99% of the time I use it to fish but would never have another CC. Saw my current boat listed with a broker and went to see it. Called the factory as they build the hull but no longer in an EX. Went back~~ she only had 122 hours, transferrable Yamaha warranty, and lifetime hull warranty-- wrote the check. Got a great deal and gave the buyer of the boat I had a great deal too. It worked for me and it WILL work for you. Keep searching..... best of luck in your search and with your health.
 

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Thanks, John. I have time, and I love shopping for them. Linda and I haven't finished discussing this yet, either. Maybe she'll surprise me and be willing to go a little more 'bare bones' than I expect. That'd open up more options in the outboard cuddy cabin type.

(lemme get this straight. you left a perfectly good airplane to go flying off by yourself? :) )
 

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My friends Carver twin cabin sounds along the lines of what you are looking for, its got a forward v-birth, an aft cabin (although it is a bit cramped), shower, head, dinette, single I/O with enough room to dance around the engine and its 25' long (27 to end of swim platform). He trailers it everywhere.

However its a 1988
 

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John,
The boat I mentioned is a Regal 2665. It's not much of a downsize from your 278, but with single engine, 20 degree deadrise and stepped hull, it is a sporty boat for an express cruiser.
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Hands down the most space of any boat this size in the mid berth. No dinette, but conversion from bed to dinette is a piece of cake.
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Engine access is good , but not outstanding.
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Here is a short video that shows most of the boats' features, it should give you a good idea if this model is worth consideration.
Playing - Regal 2665 Commodore - | BoatQuest | Powered By BoatTest.com

One good thing is that most of these already have a trailer, and they are light enough to be towed with a decent vehicle. Regal build quality is first rate. Take a look at one in person if you can find one in your area.
 
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That boat has some really nice features. You're right, that mid-berth is huge. Great access, too (unusual). It's now on the list for an inspection if one crops up locally. Thanks, bud.
 

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My friends Carver twin cabin sounds along the lines of what you are looking for, its got a forward v-birth, an aft cabin (although it is a bit cramped), shower, head, dinette, single I/O with enough room to dance around the engine and its 25' long (27 to end of swim platform). He trailers it everywhere.

However its a 1988

I've had occasion over the years to check out a couple of Carver mid-cabins from the mid-1990's. A 250 and a 280. One in great condition would certainly be worth a look. They're really roomy.
 

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If and ONLY if you have a truck/SUV and expect to always have one (how does anyone get by without one?) it might pay to buy a trailer as having someone haul and block then return the boat to the water will be an expense. It may pay to advertise for a dry slip instead. At my marina you can rent from them at $10 per foot monthly or find an owner with a slip to 30' with enough height at $160 - $175 monthly inside. Both include unlimited in/out, rinse, and flush. The Obie-Economy sux enough prices have dropped to the point the marina will not sell their inventory and some owners are not willing to take the loss so they lease. I bought mine to use and as an investment at a 60% discount of what was paid in '05.
 

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John, the next boat will reside in my driveway during the off season and be wet-slipped in the summer. If the boat I choose comes with a trailer I'd probably sell it off. I sold my Dodge 4x4 when I bought the Four Winns and now drive a mini SUV.

I don't miss the truck. I didn't need it for 95+% of my driving, it guzzled fuel and was a PITA to park. It cost me more to own, insure and feed the truck (and trailer) than it'll cost me to have the boat transported a couple times a year. I live only 5 miles from my summer marina.

My goal is to cut my overall boating expense in half by taking care of my own storage and returning to a scenario in which I can forego things like shrink wrap (I used a PVC frame and tarps before Escapade), performing 75% of my own maintenece and repairs, winterizing and summerizing myself, slapping a coat of anti-fouling on it every year, etc., etc.

I did all that before, and with the right boat I can do it again.
 
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Since you do not currently own and intend to keep a tow vehicle having someone do the hauling would be least expensive. If it comes with a trailer that is what I'd store it on instead of blocking. Could probably find a friend or neighbor to haul it to/from the marina once a year at zero cost. I moved south in order to boat & fish year round so no longer winterize and since she is inside no reason to cover. I no longer tow and store the trailer only for when she is sold but I'll keep the truck and buy a new one every 2 - 4 years. Don't need 4 wheel drive either but 1 trip north is made every winter so I'll do that too. I'm getting 18 - 19 around here and 20 - 21 mph on trips so I'm not complaining. The Hemi drops from 8 cyl to 4 cyl on level up to about 60+ mph. No company makes a real car any longer ~~~ getting in/out of those is not worth it. Many don't have enough leg room for a midget either! We have an '09 Santa Fe used as the 'beach buggy/grocery hauler' and my wife's car but if I'm going it is in the truck.


John, the next boat will reside in my driveway during the off season and be wet-slipped in the summer. If the boat I choose comes with a trailer I'd probably sell it off. I sold my Dodge 4x4 when I bought the Four Winns and now drive a mini SUV.

I don't miss the truck. I didn't need it for 95+% of my driving, it guzzled fuel and was a PITA to park. It cost me more to own, insure and feed the truck (and trailer) than it'll cost me to have the boat transported a couple times a year. I live only 5 miles from my summer marina.

My goal is to cut my overall boating expense in half by taking care of my own storage and returning to a scenario in which I can forego things like shrink wrap (I used a PVC frame and tarps before Escapade), performing 75% of my own maintenece and repairs, winterizing and summerizing myself, slapping a coat of anti-fouling on it every year, etc., etc.

I did all that before, and with the right boat I can do it again.
 

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1. I'd store it on the trailer too. How would the person towing it for you get it on and off the blocks? And, how much would that cost? It wouldn't be that hard to hire someone to tow your trailer for you, or you could just rent a vehicle for the day. That would be a large savings right there. I'd definitely rather have my own trailer for it to rest on in the winter.

2. I guess I'm having a hard time understanding how this is really a downgrade question though. Going from a 278 to a 26' really isn't all that much of a downgrade. But, it seems like your downgrade has more to do with the engines. I understand that it would be easier to maintain and work one 1 engine with plenty of room around it versus having to maintain 2 engines...and outdrives..and tilt trim motors, etc, etc, etc. That said, no engine is simple to work on and you are always going to have to bend and twist and be in uncomfortable positions to work on it..

If you do go with a single engine 26' boat, I would stick to something that has a 7.4 liter engine and a bravo outdrive. 26' is a lot for a 5.7 to push and an alpha one wouldn't hold up as well as the bravo.

At least that is how my 26' was.
 

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1. I'd store it on the trailer too. How would the person towing it for you get it on and off the blocks? And, how much would that cost? It wouldn't be that hard to hire someone to tow your trailer for you, or you could just rent a vehicle for the day. That would be a large savings right there. I'd definitely rather have my own trailer for it to rest on in the winter.

2. I guess I'm having a hard time understanding how this is really a downgrade question though. Going from a 278 to a 26' really isn't all that much of a downgrade. But, it seems like your downgrade has more to do with the engines. I understand that it would be easier to maintain and work one 1 engine with plenty of room around it versus having to maintain 2 engines...and outdrives..and tilt trim motors, etc, etc, etc. That said, no engine is simple to work on and you are always going to have to bend and twist and be in uncomfortable positions to work on it..

If you do go with a single engine 26' boat, I would stick to something that has a 7.4 liter engine and a bravo outdrive. 26' is a lot for a 5.7 to push and an alpha one wouldn't hold up as well as the bravo.

At least that is how my 26' was.

I guess you've never seen a professional with a customized hydraulic boat lift truck (not sure how else to describe it). It's a piece of cake for them (fun to watch, too), and cost would be less than $200. each way. There's a one-time investment in cement blocks and lumber (or boat jacks) and that's it. The transporter tells you what to buy ahead of time. No trailer maintenance, inspection or registration cost to deal with.

You're correct in that the downgrade has more to do with engines than anything else, but incorrect in assuming that no engine is simple to work on. BTDT with my (previous) 24' express and it was pretty easy. Why? Because It had a 4' x 7' engine hatch. When you talk about a single screw, the size of the engine hatch is as important as anything else. A 26' Bayliner has a big opening, a 26' Four Winns does not. I wouldn't buy the latter.

A 7.4 on a 26'er is not really necessary- a fuel injected 5.7 is perfectly adequate. Don't know where you boat, but my local waters are seldom smooth enough to travel any faster than in the high 20's mph. Most times it's only my wife and I aboard, etc., etc. Not worried about the drive, really. I personally prefer V-P SX's, but either of the Mercs is also fine.

I'm not quite a newb where this subject is concerned. I've owned my own outboard and I/O boats in both single and twin, and have first-hand exposure to a variety of boats from a 18' I/O bowrider to a 38' twin diesel Trojan sportfisherman. All courtesy of my being a USPS member who spends the entire summer boating with a dozen of my club friends. In the express cruiser class I've driven a 24' Chris*Craft 5.7 (mine), a 25' Larson 5.7, a 26' Rinker 5.7 and a 26' Maxum 5.0 MPI (Bravo 3). None of them is a slug.

Today I'm drooling over a 30' Luhrs Alura that's for sale in New Jersey. If I were close to making a move I'd be driving over to take a look at it. Love them.
 
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JoLin,

I've said for years, no other manufacture does as good a job of utilizing the available space as Bayliner does and I stand by it. In fact, dollar for dollar it's hard to find another manufacture that can meet their amenities.

I am not saying not to consider something else but I think I'd concentrate on finding the Bayliner I liked and had the amenities I need at the best price. Just sayin,,, if you narrow the search you have more time to find just the right one.

I happen agree, and I've also had that opinion of Bayliners for a long time. I'm always impressed by how much usability they build into their boats. I search the Bayliner listings every day (along with a few others). Haven't seen anything crop up lately. Since I'm only window shopping at this point, I can at least research anything else that catches my eye (or that my fellow iboaters throw out there).
 

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I guess you've never seen a professional with a customized hydraulic boat lift truck (not sure how else to describe it). It's a piece of cake for them (fun to watch, too), and cost would be less than $200. each way. There's a one-time investment in cement blocks and lumber (or boat jacks) and that's it. The transporter tells you what to buy ahead of time. No trailer maintenance, inspection or registration cost to deal with.

Trailer expense is much higher in Yankee Land. In NC no inspection is required on trailers, in SC they never need registered at all. Without snow and minimal use maintenance is little. I paid $75 at time of purchase for permanent registration, no more plate fees as long as I own it. I moved to SE NC to get away from the cold and Yankee taxes/fees ~~~ you will never hear me complain of property taxes either.
 

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Not sure if any are available in your area but a 270 'dancer like ours fits your specs with single 7.4/B3, aft cabin, separate dining table that can stay up(or convert if you have a guest) and a fairly large front berth area (my wifes favorite spot). Even has a platform in the bilge if you wanted to install a generator.
It does have that engine hatch to lift that can be a "hinderance" if you need to work behind the engine but a thicker blanket to lay on the engine and something on your head with shield most bumps.

When I get the point of needing to scale down a bit I also would be looking at the Bayliner Ciera models also; I'd probably go down to the 2450 as moving the table would be ok with me.

Mark
 
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