Amsoil

[Silvertip]

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Older engines had lots of sleeve bearings, not ball bearings. Hence they typically ran a mix of plain old 30 weight engine oil and gas. As two stroke oils and ball bearings came on the scene lubrication requirements changed. Auto engine oil was not designed to burn and hence carbon buildup and plug fouling was common. Air cooled two strokes also have different lubrication requirements than water cooled two strokes. Since your experience is with engines of 15 HP or less, I would say you are not risking anything compared to a 100 HP and up engine that is much more highly stressed. Also curious how you extend the ban on two strokes just by using Amzoil. And I though I heard them all! As for blaming AMzoil for failures, that won't happen as Ethanol is currently at the top of the "blame list".

 

[Brewman61]

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So will Amsoil replace the motor if you run 100:1 and it burns down? If they won't that'd tell you something.................
If they would then there is no risk in trying it for yourself.

 

[fishrdan]

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So will Amsoil replace the motor if you run 100:1 and it burns down? If they won't that'd tell you something.................

The transmission I'm harping about, that blew up, following their recommendations... No warranty coverage... Gee, go figure?

Also curious how you extend the ban on two strokes just by using Amzoil. And I though I heard them all!

Even though I'm a h8er of "that" stuff. If I could get by the 2 stroke ban by running it at 100:1 in my 2 stroke OB, I'd do it. Roll the dice on it ruining an OB that I have to get rid of anyway, might as well. Though, there is no 100:1 clause in the 2 stoke ban where I'm at so I don't have to worry about it...

 

[pecheux]

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So will Amsoil replace the motor if you run 100:1 and it burns down? If they won't that'd tell you something.................
If they would then there is no risk in trying it for yourself.

Probably not ... and nobody else will either for whatever reasons ... correct me if I am wrong. Your are right it's my call.

 

[pecheux]

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Older engines had lots of sleeve bearings, not ball bearings. Hence they typically ran a mix of plain old 30 weight engine oil and gas. As two stroke oils and ball bearings came on the scene lubrication requirements changed. Auto engine oil was not designed to burn and hence carbon buildup and plug fouling was common. Air cooled two strokes also have different lubrication requirements than water cooled two strokes. Since your experience is with engines of 15 HP or less, I would say you are not risking anything compared to a 100 HP and up engine that is much more highly stressed. Also curious how you extend the ban on two strokes just by using Amzoil. And I though I heard them all! As for blaming AMzoil for failures, that won't happen as Ethanol is currently at the top of the "blame list".

Your are right with just about everything you wrote. Not sure I would have used that type oil when I was running an 6 inline 115 hp. The ban was delayed because my boat sits at a dock that belongs to an important member of the lakefront owners association. He saw the difference in water residues and calmed down. Mind you I get the same cleaner water results from using regular synthetic oils mixed at 50:1 and I made sure he knew about that also. I use the 100:1 (at 85:1) formula mainly to have smoother running motors when trolling ... especialy with the Force that idles rough.
PS: I wish other companies would make that type of oil so the name Amsoil could be kept out of the conversation. LOL

 

[Silvertip]

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The ban was delayed because my boat sits at a dock that belongs to an important member of the lakefront owners association. He saw the difference in water residues and calmed down. Mind you I get the same cleaner water results from using regular synthetic oils mixed at 50:1 and I made sure he knew about that also.

So this pending restriction is a lake association issue and not a state mandate! How unscientific is that where an association dictates "clean energy". How about all the unburned fuel that is getting dumped into the water from that same two stroke. This is what happens when the uninformed are placed in charge of stuff. So lets look at the numbers again. A carbed two stroke by its design dumps "X" amount of unburned fuel and byproducts of combustion into the water. There is nothing you can do about that so that polution remains the same regardless which oil you use. You switch to 100:1 (actually 85:1 in your case) so you have now only reduced polutants by about 1/3. The polutant being oil (or planet friendly stuff in the case of Amzoil). You can do the same thing with straight synthetic that actually is TCW-III certified.

 

[pecheux]

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So this pending restriction is a lake association issue and not a state mandate! How unscientific is that where an association dictates "clean energy". How about all the unburned fuel that is getting dumped into the water from that same two stroke. This is what happens when the uninformed are placed in charge of stuff. So lets look at the numbers again. A carbed two stroke by its design dumps "X" amount of unburned fuel and byproducts of combustion into the water. There is nothing you can do about that so that polution remains the same regardless which oil you use. You switch to 100:1 (actually 85:1 in your case) so you have now only reduced polutants by about 1/3. The polutant being oil (or planet friendly stuff in the case of Amzoil). You can do the same thing with straight synthetic that actually is TCW-III certified.

Partialy agreed. For some time the 2 OMC OB's were on straight synthetic at 50:1 and the Force on Saber at leaner mixture. Then I got tired of having multiple gas totes so I uniformed. As for TCW3 certification I see more 2 strokes brand with the "meet or exceed tc-w3" than the real McCoy that say "tc-w3 certified" so the fact that one brand say "to be used where tc-w3 is required" (guess who ..lol) does'nt bother me a bit. Unfortunatly Penzoil synthetic is not available in my region so I have to settle for non-certified other brand. I feeded my 115 hp with the cheapest oil I could find that said "meet tc-w3" for 6 years and never had any problems ... except smoking out other boaters in the marina ... LOL Cheers.

 

[Chris1956]

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What an interesting thread. I guess I am in a strange mood, where I find both sides comical. The Amsoil guy with his marketing hype, and the doubters of the hype. I hope this mood lasts.

Dan, A transmission failed that had Amsoil gear oil in it? That is pretty damning. You can run any cheap gear oil in a standard trans, basically forever. it doesn't even get dirty.

Me, I will keep running 50::1, using a TCW-III oil. I may go bold and buy some full Synthetic TCW-III oil.

 

[fishrdan]

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Dan, A transmission failed that had Amsoil gear oil in it?

Automatic transmission, some of the needle bearings were worn down so much they looked exaclty like needles, sharp and pointy on the end.... The fluid looked pretty gnarly coming out too....

 

[pecheux]

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Automatic transmission, some of the needle bearings were worn down so much they looked exaclty like needles, sharp and pointy on the end.... The fluid looked pretty gnarly coming out too....

And you are convinced the bad oil did it ??? Come on ... how old was that oil ? was it low on the dip stick ? Was the tranny leaking ? How old is the vehicule ? How much milage ? Was it running on xxxsoil since new ? and so on and so on ... reality is = transmission do break down sometimes and we dont necessarely know exactly why, especialy when vehicule is used in very hot climates. Transmission shops are busy year round.

 

[nymack66]

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Engine runs like a champ 100:1 mix ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG-vHB8xA9k

 

[JB]

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Back in the '80s OMC actually recommended 100:1 with normal TC-W3 oil. The engines ran "like a champ" that way. OMC later changed back to 50:1, NOT because of any trouble running, but because of rare trouble in extended storage. Many who haven't gotten the word yet still run them on 100:1 TC-W3 thirty years later.

There is no question, therefore, that outboards can run well on a 100:1 mix of standard, TC-W3 oil. AMSOIL (snake oil) is guilty of dishonest advertising claims and propaganda that would make Hitler blush.

We get threads like this, with extravagant claims made by "dealers" masquerading as legitimate members seeking information about once a year, followed by equally extravagant claims contradicting the spammer.

Notice that the OP spammer disappeared immediately when called on the spam.

This one has run its course.