Antifreeze in cylinders posted last night

proline2550

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After three engines and lots of work, what I thought was fixed is back. I have twin 4.3 FWC mercruisers and have had hydrolocking problems with them ever since I bought the boat. At first I thought the fluid problem was missing shutters and a dieseling engine. I replaced the missing shutters and reconditioned the heads. The problem remained so I installed three inch spacers on both engines due to the boat's low waterline with four adults on board. After having one engine go bad, I decided to replace both with brand new base engines. After one of these engines lost oil pressure resulting in a spun bearing, Upon inspection, the engine showed signs of water intrusion. Lost my warranty and put one of the old engines back in. Right now, the boat has one new engine,(110hrs) the other is one of the old engines with new rings, head gaskets and recon heads on it. Both engines smell of antifreeze when running and the heat exchangers are consistantly low when checked before a trip. Put the boat in for the season last night and when I tried to start the older of the two engines, it was locked up. After inpection, the liquid in the cylinders is coolant. When I left the ramp, both heat exchangers were full. Now, both are low. The newer, port side engine started fine but has the tell tale coolant smell. The only parts that are common to all of the engines in this boat are the exhaust manifolds. I let the engine sit for twenty or thirty minutes with the plugs removed and shot a healthy one out both sides of this morning's hydrolocked engine. I drained the manifolds and waited again. Turned the engine over and no more water in the cylinders. Anybody else think that this boat may have frozen resulting in four cracked manifolds? I don't believe it to be a head gasket problem on any of the engines. Thoughts and suggestions would help clear my thoughts. I would like to repair this boat once and for all before I make my own personal reef site! I was a mechanic for 13 years so gimme all the tech you can muster, I'll understand <br /><br /><br />1994 Mercruiser early Vortec V6 Starboard side,12 bolt intake(currently major problem)<br /><br />2005 GM Base 220 HP Vortec V6 Port side. *this engine has eight bolt intake.(has coolant smell from exhaust and steam from exhaust.<br /><br />WOT is 4200RPM<br />Both are Carbureted- four barrel Webers<br /><br />Just want to be as sure about diagnosis before spending 1000 bucks. Any thoughts about GLM aluminum manifolds and risers? What about using cast spacers in between?
 

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Re: Antifreeze in cylinders posted last night

Better Yet,.... Click Here... How many Threads are you going to Start with the Same Issue....... <br /><br />Just going down to the Thread you Already have Going,+ Posting on IT will bring it Back to the Top of the Forum........<br /><br />Posting Multiple Threads causes ALOT of Unnessessary Typing for Many of Us,..........<br />Which in the case of Single Digit Typers,... Such as Myself,.........<br /><br />Doesn't make Helping You for Free,........ Any Easier.............. :mad: <br /><br /><br />Sorry,......... Rant Over............ :)
 

proline2550

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Re: Antifreeze in cylinders posted last night

All four risers replaced last season. Spacers added before launch with all new gaskets on machined surfaces. Flatness was checked and within normal limits. Shutters are one seasnon old and in good shape. (removed and inspected while adding spacers) This is not raw water in the cylinders, it is coolant. I don't mean to sound ungrateful but I am very frustrated with this as you can imagine.
 

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Re: Antifreeze in cylinders posted last night

From your discription it sounds like the manifolds are part of the closed cooling system, correct? If they are, antifreeze doesn't freeze and break things. Were they always FW Cooled?<br />Maybe the gasket or the surface of the manifolds between the manifold and riser is leaking. Why all 4, I couldn't say. Maybe someone took them all apart and reused the gaskets a long time ago.<br /><br />At 4200 rpm at WOT, that is overloading the engine, you should be up around 4600 to 4800.
 

proline2550

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Re: Antifreeze in cylinders posted last night

I have had the problem since I bought the boat used. If the prvious owner was not as diligent as he should have beenin checking the freeze temp of the antifreeze than there would be potential for freezing. They are FWC, and the manifolds are cooled by the cooling system as you said. The manifolds and riser gaskets have been changed several times over the last two seasons of chasing this problem to one degree or another. As a mechanic I am aware that too tight is a bad thing and always torque gaskets with enough, but not too much force. I like this boat, but right now it's nothjing more than a source of frustration
 

I/O WALDO

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Re: Antifreeze in cylinders posted last night

Stupid riser gaskets, or manifolds!
 

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Re: Antifreeze in cylinders posted last night

I'm not an expert on your make/model, so don't bash me for making some comments, ok?<br /><br />When reading your initial thread, my first thought was, coolant in the engine cylinders??...must be a cracked block or head. When working on cars, if you have a cracked head or block, the coolant mixes with the oil and travels through the oil arteries. Typically cracked heads or blocks are the result of over heating, warping, or freeze plug problems. <br /><br />Is it possible that you've got an overheating problem which is causing a crack in the block or heads, which allows coolant, water, foreign liquids to get inside the cylinder walls, creating a lock up?<br /><br />As I said, I'm no expert on your make/model, but I guess I'd start by looking over each cylinder/spark plug for moisture/coolant, and also checking the oil as well. <br /><br />The other thought was that if the heads were mismatched and not meant for the block, perhaps the water arteries aren't lining up which could again cause over due pressure, warpage, etc.<br /><br />Just brainstorming out loud...
 
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