Any Liberals out there?

dirtyoldman

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Re: Any Liberals out there?

Art,
For even more fun . . . Define what makes you a "liberal"? I am honestly curious.


I almost posted here - but didn't. I think some of my ideas are liberal, but the Republicans have them. Of course, our whole form of government is liberal. Compared to the rest of the world every one of us is liberal. I think being Pro-life is a liberal position. Being in favor of the free market and no minimum wage is a liberal idea.

Where our definitions got so far off I have no idea.

Definition here:

Definitions of liberal on the Web:

broad: showing or characterized by broad-mindedness; "a broad political stance"; "generous and broad sympathies"; "a liberal newspaper"; "tolerant of his opponent's opinions"
having political or social views favoring reform and progress
tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition
a person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties
big: given or giving freely; "was a big tipper"; "the bounteous goodness of God"; "bountiful compliments"; "a freehanded host"; "a handsome allowance"; "Saturday's child is loving and giving"; "a liberal backer of the arts"; "a munificent gift"; "her fond and openhanded grandfather"
a person who favors an economic theory of laissez-faire and self-regulating markets
free: not literal; "a loose interpretation of what she had been told"; "a free translation of the poem"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

The Liberal Party was one of the two major British political parties from the early 19th century until the 1920s, and a third party of varying strength and importance up to 1988, when it merged with the Social Democratic Party to form a new party which would become known as the Liberal Democrats.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_(UK)

Liberalism is a political current embracing several historical and present-day ideologies that claim defense of individual liberty as the purpose of government. It typically favors the right to dissent from orthodox tenets or established authorities in political or religious matters. In this respect, it is sometimes held in contrast to conservatism. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_(politics)

people who generally like to reform current conditions. Liberals are often referred to as the left wing.
www.enchantedlearning.com/election/glossary.shtml

In the US political spectrum, ?liberals? are said to be slightly left-of-center or somewhat left-of-center. Of the two main political parties, the Democrats are thought to be more liberal, as the term is currently defined. ...
www.uta.fi/FAST/GC/poliglos.html

When referring to trade policy, relatively free of import controls or restraints and/or exhibiting a preference for reducing existing barriers to trade, often contrasted with the protectionist preference for retaining or raising selected barriers to imports.
www.giagroup.com/terms-of-trade-l.cfm

The British Liberal Party developed from the Whigs. In the 50 years after the Reform Bill of 1832 was the dominant party. Leaders included Gladstone. Became divided over Home Rule for Ireland. Its decline was also partly because many of the reforms on its programme had been carried out, and the rise of the Labour Party which supplanted it as the official opposition in 1922. In the early 1980s it aligned itself with the newly formed Social Democratic Party. [RE]
www.embassy.org.nz/encycl/l3encyc.htm

Political viewpoint with origins in Western Europe during the 19th century; stressed limited state interference in individual life, representation of propertied people in government; urged importance of constitutional rule and parliaments. (p. 702)
occawlonline.pearsoned.com/bookbind/pubbooks/stearns_awl/medialib/glossary/gloss_L.html

Political view that supports gradual change and government spending to assist lower classes in society.
www.cyberlearning-world.com/nhhs/html/vocansw.htm

A liberal is a person who supports moderate social progress and reform.
www.tomgreengop.org/politicalterms.htm

In 1872 the opponents of Gen. Grant for a second term met in convention at Cincinnati to adopt a platform, and make a nomination. It was composed of representative men of both parties, disaffected Republicans being in the majority. The name taken was Liberal. It relegated the tariff question to the several congressional districts, and made the reconciliation of North and South in an era of fellowship paramount. Horace Greeley was nominated for President, B. ...
www.people.virginia.edu/~rmf8a/gaskell/poldict.htm

political or social views that put a great emphasis on creating new social patterns or values, often with the help of direct government action. (Contrast with conservative views, which put more emphasis on the importance of traditional values and social patterns.) Liberals view society as something that can be easily reshaped to meet changing conditions. They believe that many existing social patterns, including marriage, gender roles, and race relations are severely flawed and unfair. ...
www.fasttrackteaching.com/termsmodern.html

Traditionally, the word liberal means to be open to new ideas and tolerant of others. To be liberal politically, is to emphasize political and economic freedom. They tend to favor gradual changes in society and promote government programs to solve problems.
warrensburg.k12.mo.us/iadventure/allamerican/glossary.html

Giving or generous, or broad minded, tolerant of other ideals, nontraditional.
www.godonthe.net/dictionary/l.html
 

SpinnerBait_Nut

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Re: Any Liberals out there?

mgraveman, you have way too much time on your hands per above post.:D
J/K and keep posting.:cool:
 

QC

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Re: Any Liberals out there?

mgraveman,

I am starting this thread to find out if there are any fellow liberals who are members of I-boats.
I take that as an admission of guilty as charged . . . :D
 

dirtyoldman

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Re: Any Liberals out there?

mgraveman,


I take that as an admission of guilty as charged . . . :D


You got me.

As to time on your hands - five seconds with a google search to get that definition. It was copy and paste.
 

OldMercsRule

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Re: Any Liberals out there?

I almost posted here - but didn't. I think some of my ideas are liberal, but the Republicans have them. Of course, our whole form of government is liberal. Compared to the rest of the world every one of us is liberal. I think being Pro-life is a liberal position. Being in favor of the free market and no minimum wage is a liberal idea.

Agreed.

Where our definitions got so far off I have no idea.

Definition here:

Definitions of liberal on the Web:

broad: showing or characterized by broad-mindedness; "a broad political stance"; "generous and broad sympathies"; "a liberal newspaper"; "tolerant of his opponent's opinions"

Modern Americans who claim to be "Liberal", are very intolerant especially: of ideas different from theirs. You don't have to go far to see this phenomonim. Look at the treatment of Cornservative speakers on most American college campuses, (it's hard to be unaware of this fact). Look at the Democrats withdrawal from a Fox News sponcered presidential debate. Here in Seattle Cornservatives get their cars keyed for expressing non facist doctrine political debate. It only happens once if I ever catch 'em, (I assure you). Who ever wrote this self serving definition was NOT REFERRING to modern American Liberals n' Democrats, maybe the 'polite' European Elites would tolerate looking down their nose at you, prior to flushing the terlet; WHO KNOWS?

having political or social views favoring reform and progress
tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition
a person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties

Again very self serving words. Modern American Liberals do favor 'reform and progress' as defined by a much bigger and more inrusive government and much higher taxes. They view the most precious gift our Founding Fathers gave us as a "living breathing document", so they can promote full fledged VICTIMHOOD, n' raise taxes and grow everyone's dependence on 'nany government', at the expense of personal liberty and personal responsibility. Most of us with at least a brain cell can tell the Cornstatution was designed to LIMIT GOVERNMENT, n' modern Libs worship the biggest and most intrusive government they can shove down all of our throats.

big: given or giving freely; "was a big tipper"; "the bounteous goodness of God"; "bountiful compliments"; "a freehanded host"; "a handsome allowance"; "Saturday's child is loving and giving"; "a liberal backer of the arts"; "a munificent gift"; "her fond and openhanded grandfather"
a person who favors an economic theory of laissez-faire and self-regulating markets

Hmmmmmm, again: not cornsistent with modern American Liberals. Most American contemporary Democrat Liberals are very stingy with PERSONAL charity, as they would rather deal with their guilt by forcing all of us to pay taxes for their 'good works' as done by their nanny government. (Ya know what happens if ya don't pay yer taxes don't ya?) This was highlighted by Algore's stingy donation to charity when he cleaned out his garage, vs George Bush's substantial donations back in the run up to the 2000 election. There have been studies to document this selfishness on the part of modern American Liberals.

free: not literal; "a loose interpretation of what she had been told"; "a free translation of the poem"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

The Liberal Party was one of the two major British political parties from the early 19th century until the 1920s, and a third party of varying strength and importance up to 1988, when it merged with the Social Democratic Party to form a new party which would become known as the Liberal Democrats.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_(UK)

Liberalism is a political current embracing several historical and present-day ideologies that claim defense of individual liberty as the purpose of government.

Again: Upside down these days. Liberals may rail at 'club Gitmo' as they FEEL sorry for the poor terrorists, but they want super nasy HATE crimes legislation for any crimes that they FEEL need extra punishment, (even though the criminal conduct was already against the law).

It typically favors the right to dissent from orthodox tenets or established authorities in political or religious matters. In this respect, it is sometimes held in contrast to conservatism. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_(politics)

Yes eliminate Christianity, promote Islam. Burn the Flag!

people who generally like to reform current conditions. Liberals are often referred to as the left wing.
www.enchantedlearning.com/election/glossary.shtml

YUP.

In the US political spectrum, “liberals” are said to be slightly left-of-center or somewhat left-of-center. Of the two main political parties, the Democrats are thought to be more liberal, as the term is currently defined. ...
www.uta.fi/FAST/GC/poliglos.html

YUP

When referring to trade policy, relatively free of import controls or restraints and/or exhibiting a preference for reducing existing barriers to trade, often contrasted with the protectionist preference for retaining or raising selected barriers to imports.
www.giagroup.com/terms-of-trade-l.cfm

Modern American Liberals are very pro import controls et al. See: Lou Dobbs!!

The British Liberal Party developed from the Whigs. In the 50 years after the Reform Bill of 1832 was the dominant party. Leaders included Gladstone. Became divided over Home Rule for Ireland. Its decline was also partly because many of the reforms on its programme had been carried out, and the rise of the Labour Party which supplanted it as the official opposition in 1922. In the early 1980s it aligned itself with the newly formed Social Democratic Party. [RE]
www.embassy.org.nz/encycl/l3encyc.htm

Political viewpoint with origins in Western Europe during the 19th century; stressed limited state interference in individual life, representation of propertied people in government; urged importance of constitutional rule and parliaments. (p. 702)
occawlonline.pearsoned.com/bookbind/pubbooks/stearns_awl/medialib/glossary/gloss_L.html

That may be a classical definition, but the modern American Liberals and Democrats are upside down again. They promote TYRANTS FROM THE BENCH, (how they attempt to change the "living breathing document" they abhore). They want jurists that cornsider international Liberal European law, allow the taking of your property for a more property tax productive purpose, (from their favorite developer). They are for maximum state interferance in all ways. (BTW: it is spelled taxes)!!

Political view that supports gradual change and government spending to assist lower classes in society.
www.cyberlearning-world.com/nhhs/html/vocansw.htm

GROWTH IN SPENDING EH? So when ya say "gradual change" that change is always in one direction. Do you understand the corncept of compound interest? Same deal. Eventually due to all the 'gradual' carp, the government totally owns ya. That's just Libs bein' sneaky. They would tax ya fer breathin' if they could.

A liberal is a person who supports moderate social progress and reform.
www.tomgreengop.org/politicalterms.htm

WHY YES!! AS LONG AS THE "REFORM" IS MORE TAXES AND CORNTROL OVER EVERY ASPECT OF YER LIVES. The moderate part is just to get ya to fall asleep while they operate behind yer back.

In 1872 the opponents of Gen. Grant for a second term met in convention at Cincinnati to adopt a platform, and make a nomination. It was composed of representative men of both parties, disaffected Republicans being in the majority. The name taken was Liberal. It relegated the tariff question to the several congressional districts, and made the reconciliation of North and South in an era of fellowship paramount. Horace Greeley was nominated for President, B. ...
www.people.virginia.edu/~rmf8a/gaskell/poldict.htm

political or social views that put a great emphasis on creating new social patterns or values, often with the help of direct government action.

WHY YES: BIG GOVERNMENT!!

(Contrast with conservative views, which put more emphasis on the importance of traditional values and social patterns.) Liberals view society as something that can be easily reshaped to meet changing conditions. They believe that many existing social patterns, including marriage, gender roles, and race relations are severely flawed and unfair. ...
www.fasttrackteaching.com/termsmodern.html

YES n' all Cornservatives are mean!!!!Libs are the only ones with enlightened feelings!!

Traditionally, the word liberal means to be open to new ideas

Only those ideas that grow government

and tolerant of others.

Only other Liberals!!

To be liberal politically, is to emphasize political and economic freedom.

NOT. They emphasize GOVERNMENT CONTROL

They tend to favor gradual changes in society and promote government programs to solve problems.
warrensburg.k12.mo.us/iadventure/allamerican/glossary.html

They use tricky soft language, the 'gradual' part is to trick ya until it is toooooo late!!

Giving or generous, or broad minded, tolerant of other ideals, nontraditional.
www.godonthe.net/dictionary/l.html

NOT. They are generous with your tax dollars!!!
 

rolmops

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Re: Any Liberals out there?

Hey Rolmops, I thought you said you were a Muslim.

You must have totally misunderstood.I never was nor will I ever be a Muslim.
My differences of opinion with those guys go very deep.
 

rolmops

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I am illiterate, weird that I am also conservative . . . :confused:

rolmops,

Your religion also believes in the death penalty, respect for business, labeling evil, and it received and delivered the 10 Commandments. If I espouse those values publicly I am labeled a conservative before my tongue stops wagging . . . ;)

I also take from your comments that conservatives are suspected of turning a blind eye to poverty and criminals. Was that your intention? Facts dispute that notion.

My first words were that I am not a liberal,that should leave you free to say that you are not a conservative.
Anyway it is not about politics,it is about values.
 

QC

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My first words were that I am not a liberal,that should leave you free to say that you are not a conservative.
Well maybe except that by today's measure I am, and by your own voting record if I recall correctly, you lean toward the left of the American aisle . . .
Anyway it is not about politics,it is about values.
I totally agree, yet you and I hold many of the same values and disagree on much, which is why I often respond to you. I also strongly believe that the Republican Party (as stupid as it is) is closer to those same values. This is why I believe that one should compare political parties and vote party line with the one that is closest to your personal values. If you or the party changes? . . . Reevaluate.
 

Mark42

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In my younger years I was a registered Democrat. Does that count?
 

jinx

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We're all moderates here.

Sort of like that old saw about anyone driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone who passes is a raving maniac.

Jinx
 

ArtB

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In my younger years I was a registered Democrat. Does that count?

My dear old dad, long deceased, used to say "if you arn't a liberal when you are young, you don't have any heart, if you arn't a conservative when you grow old, you don't have any sense". I guess I'm a case of arrested development.

I fully concur with the encyclopedia definition as posted by mgraveman.. People who see something evil or unpatriotic in the term "liberal" simply don't understand the term - or don't want to.
 

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This thread is about as enlightening as a gut full of pinworms.:rolleyes:
 

dirtyoldman

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I fully concur with the encyclopedia definition as posted by mgraveman.. People who see something evil or unpatriotic in the term "liberal" simply don't understand the term - or don't want to.

To those same people calling someone a conservative is an insult.
 

OldMercsRule

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BTW - that definition came from here:

Go to www.google.com

Type define: liberal



That's all I did.

Hey Mgraveman, All I did was respond to the missinformation this definition states, (I was not picking on you). Most of the media and higher education is biased hard left and a person needs to think (just a bit) to see if the sugar coated words defining Liberalism in glowing terms matches modern reality. You have to cornsume loads of kool aid and be half asleep to believe those words. JR
 

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You must have totally misunderstood.I never was nor will I ever be a Muslim.
My differences of opinion with those guys go very deep.

Yer right: my apology! I missread your reply to JB several months ago. I stand corrected. JR
 

dirtyoldman

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Hey Mgraveman, All I did was respond to the missinformation this definition states, (I was not picking on you). Most of the media and higher education is biased hard left and a person needs to think (just a bit) to see if the sugar coated words defining Liberalism in glowing terms matches modern reality. You have to cornsume loads of kool aid and be half asleep to believe those words. JR

I agree with you 100%. I was trying to show that there was no bias in the definition. I still believe that the definition is correct, but the politics in this country have turned the terms into a perversion of what they really mean.
 

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My dear old dad, long deceased, used to say "if you arn't a liberal when you are young, you don't have any heart, if you arn't a conservative when you grow old, you don't have any sense". I guess I'm a case of arrested development.

I fully concur with the encyclopedia definition as posted by mgraveman..

I would expect no less from You: Art. My replies are spot on as to the modern American experience with contemporary Liberals, (as modified by the selfish, "it's all about me", baby boom generation of which: I am a member). You may have more in common with the more classical definition of Liberalism (and many Americans would as well). Your generation seems to possess a more moderate and sensable position on world affairs then mine does.

People who see something evil or unpatriotic in the term "liberal" simply don't understand the term - or don't want to.

Hmmmmmm, no mind reading here Art, just stick to readin' my words. I never said modern Liberalism was "evil" just: irrational. They, (modern Libs), seem to hate America first, and rail and work hard against any American success, (business or military, it does not matter). They seem to luv any victim regardless how created, and the victims seem to predictably vote Democrat even though the Democrat policies incouraged their short term problems to become long term ones. I understand the term Liberal just fine: Art. Respectfully JR
 

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I am not a liberal, but I am pretty sure that Boom thinks I am.
 
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