Any Updates to Gen+ SBC Merc Service Manual?

John_S

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I have the parts on order for my conversion to vortec heads/roller cam/4brl. My current engine is a '97 5.7L 2brl K series serial # (non-vortec). I have the Merc service manual (#17 I think) which covers both mid-90's non-vortec and the first generation of gen+ vortec engines. Since this was the first version of the Service manual to cover vortecs, I suspect there has been some updates or tech bulletins that I don't have privy to. I would appreciate any update knowldge/input.

The main areas I want to focus on are the assembly procedures. I have broken it into these main areas/questions:

- Vortec Head Install/Torque: I am using stock GM assembled Vortec Heads, stock GM composite head gasket, and new GM head bolts with sealer. The gen+ use a rotational spec vs ft lb spec. Have there been any changes to it? Any additional sealer needed than what comes on the new GM head bolts?

- Intake Manifold/Torque: Using Edelbrock 2116 Alum Intake, GM vortec Intake manifold gasket, and ARP vortec intake bolts (SS). This has a new rotation spec too, along with sealer on specific intake bolts. Does it hurt anything to use sealer on all of the bolts? Outside of the front and back galley, does sealer get used around any of the water passages. Manual doesn't indicate to do that.

- Composite Timing Cover Install: Using new GM timing cover and stock 6 3/4" harmonic balencer. This balencer has has advance timing marks on it, but is the old size. Newer vortecs come with an 8" balencer. Not sure what the differences are, but believe I can stay with what I have. Composite cover is not covered in my book, so need torque spec, and sequence. Also, if any gasket sealer is needed outside of the corners where the oil pan gasket is.

- Lifter Adjustment: The manual has both static and dynamic adjustment procedures. I assume only one is needed, and will go with static. One full turn after 0 lash.


Thanks for any info / updates you can provide. Parts should be here by the end of the week. Hopefully the weather will warm-up as well.
 

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Re: Any Updates to Gen+ SBC Merc Service Manual?

Hey Imported John,..........

I can't help with the manuals you're asking about,.....
But,.......
I'm sure that these Questions are More about Chevy, than they are Mercruiser........
Have you been over to Hotrodder's com forums,..??..??.....
There's a 'ell of a Knowledge Base over there,+ They're a Pretty Good Bunch,.....
I'm sure that the Answers to your Questions are There.......

I can answer a couple, But I'll be Shootin' from the Hip,.....
But it's All just SBC Stuff,... Nothing Marine about it......
 

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Re: Any Updates to Gen+ SBC Merc Service Manual?

Bondo,

I went over to their forum and read through many engine SBC posts. They do seem to be very knowledgable. I did pick-up some good tips. I had to stop somewhere on page 17, because I will end up with another expensive hobby! ;) I don't like beaming in for a couple of questions and then beaming out. I like to hang out long enough to provide back some help in appeciation.
Again, hanging out there could become expensive, but I'd probably like it! :)



I did make an error on the initial post with the intake procedure. It is only a different torque sequence and value, not an angle torque.

Outside of not having a specific procedure for the composite timing cover, I think the Service Manual is good enough. I just wanted to make sure there wasn't any major changes. It has been a while since I went through the online service bulletins, but do not remember anything specific to what I'm looking at. They are not up to the latter years, but I'll probably wade through them again, just to be sure.

BTW, while not the lowest priced web suppliers, I will say that both Jegs and Summit are very quick on processing orders. I placed order late Easter Sunday night, and they both shipped yesterday. Most of it, will be at my house by Wed. And this was the standard "free" shipping. The free shipping, certainly helped with those 50+ lb heads. They both charge a nominal handling fee, that could be a hassle with small dollar orders.
 

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Re: Any Updates to Gen+ SBC Merc Service Manual?

Ayuh,........

That's 1 of My Favorite forums,...... Whenever iboats is Down anyways.......

That Plastic Timing Cover is Nothing Special,......
Just tighten it to about 15ft.lbs, standard 1/4" stuff, in a normal rotational pattern..........
I'm Not Sure about how it joins with the Oil Pan though,.....
The Steel 1s are a Bitsh to get Right, unless you install it Before the Oil Pan......
 

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Re: Any Updates to Gen+ SBC Merc Service Manual?

I do have to drop the front, or the whole oil pan. The one piece oil pan seals are supossidly reuseable. It will be a little squirelly doing that one, with the engine in the boat, but should be able to manage. Might have to get up and walk around upright a couple of times to straighten my ole 40+ bones out. ;)
 

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'ell,............ A Young Buck like You,.......

Good Luck.............
 

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Might have to get up and walk around upright a couple of times to straighten my ole 40+ bones out. ;)

Wait till you try that with 60+ year old bones!!!!!!

If you can find Merc manual #24, it will give you all the newer info.
 

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Thanks Don, I feel younger already! ;)

I have been checking ebay occasionally for #24, but no luck yet. On a whem, I did purchase the Mercury Racing Service Manual Number 7 for MerCruiser High Performance GM 377 EFI Engine. I thought it would be interesting to see what Merc does in its factory racing stroker. I haven't received it yet, but it may have the composite timing cover and vortec heads. We'll see.
 

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Here is a pic from Merc manual 31, (a lot more detail than 24) that shows all the info there is on installing a composite front cover.
You WILL have to drop the pan to change it, the big problem will be getting the silicone off the old pan gasket so it will seal against the new cover.
Note, those covers are NOT reusable. Take em off throw them away and get a new one. They also come with bolts.

Composit%20timing%20cover.png
 

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Thanks Don, I feel younger already! ;)

I have been checking ebay occasionally for #24, but no luck yet.

I need one also. Been after it on Ebay for about 3 weeks. Let one slip through my fingers about two weeks ago. Email me you User Name on Ebay so we might avoid bidding against each other.
 

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Lyndy, I go by serbj but, I wouldn't be bidding high on one, anyway. Good Luck.


The SM for 377 was waiting for me when I got home. It does have the procedure for the composite timing cover. Don, thanks for the pic, and yes I am discarding the old. I didn't know that new bolts come with it.

The 377 engine is a little interesting. Haven't diggested it all yet, but here are a few tidbits:

- 4" bore X 3.75" stroke
- lunati crank
- 350 hp at prop
- 9:1 comp ratio
- vortec heads - small valves
- roller rockers 1.5:1
- roller cam: lift: .510 I / .530 E dur @ 050: 222 I / 230 E ( this is larger than I would have thought and heads must have been modded for that lift)



The head and intake torque procedures are different than my #17 SM. I am going to review them some more before posting.
 

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Re: Any Updates to Gen+ SBC Merc Service Manual?

Below are a couple more pics for you.
The intake is from #24. Any later and they go to MPI manifolds, not carb.
The Head torque is from #31. it's the same as 24, just more detail and it shows prefered and optional method. Either can be used.

Intake%20manifold%20torque.png


Head%20Torque.png
 

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Well, that age thing doesn't slow you down one bit with your forum postings, scanning, and picture postings. ;) I am not sure if even my kids could keep up to you. Thanks.

Head Torque: The optional method is the only method shown in the Racing 377 SM, and the prefered is the only one shown for gen+ in SM #17. That explains the two procedures. I am looking to borrow an angle torque wrench, but might have to resort to the optional method.

Intake Torque: The 377 SM had a considerable lower final torque value for the 8 intake bolts. As you pointed out, it is probably because the 377 has FI. Thanks again.

Thanks for all the input, I have enough to proceed. Now, its just a time and temprature thing.

PS: According to FedEx I will have some presents to examine tonight! :)
 

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Re: Any Updates to Gen+ SBC Merc Service Manual?

Lyndy, I go by serbj but, I wouldn't be bidding high on one, anyway. Good Luck.

Just trying to help so you wouldn't have to. Thanks for the Good Luck. Found one and didn't BID HIGH for it. Good Luck in finding one yourself, I guess.
 
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