Anyone ever made a claim to Amsoil

[pecheux]

By curiosity, as anyone ever had an OB damaged due to using Amsoil Saber outboard oil at their recommended 100:1 mix ratio, and made a claim to Amsoil for the damage ? If so what was Amsoil support ? (if any)

Tx

 

[fishrdan]

Re: Anyone ever made a claim to Amsoil

No on an outboard, but yes on a truck transmission,,, which they denied. I had around 80K on the transmission and 49K on their Universal ATF (with their recommendation of Amsoil Universal ATF being changed at 50K under severe conditions) when one of the planetary gear's needle bearing packs wore out and puked the tranny. The needle bearings looked just like "needles", pointy and sharp at 1 end...

Amsoil said the ATF sample from my tranny tested a'OK, while an independent oil analyzer said the fluid was oxidized and should have been changed long ago.

$2K down the drain.

BTW, I don't use Amsoil anymore...

 

[kenmyfam]

Re: Anyone ever made a claim to Amsoil

Doubt they have ever paid out.
Just like these "wonderful " used vehicle extended warranty rip offs that innocent folk put their trust in till they actually need it !!!!!

 

[CATransplant]

Re: Anyone ever made a claim to Amsoil

If it's like most companies' guarantees, they'll find some reason not to pay you. Read the fine print. Usually, it says something about the company's decision being final.

I wouldn't run 100:1 on anybody's oil, to be quite frank, guarantee or not.

 

[pecheux]

Re: Anyone ever made a claim to Amsoil

If it's like most companies' guarantees, they'll find some reason not to pay you. Read the fine print. Usually, it says something about the company's decision being final.

I wouldn't run 100:1 on anybody's oil, to be quite frank, guarantee or not.

You are absolutly right about company's waranty ... they mostly find a reason not to pay ... and they have permanent lawers to debate the point $$$

Tx and have a great day

 

[kenmyfam]

Re: Anyone ever made a claim to Amsoil

The used car warranties are usually a joke if you read the small print !!!

 

[5150abf]

Re: Anyone ever made a claim to Amsoil

I had one and it fully covered everything on the car that could never conceivably go bad, anything else wasn't covered.

I would try filing a claim but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the check.

 

[kenmyfam]

Re: Anyone ever made a claim to Amsoil

I had one and it fully covered everything on the car that could never conceivably go bad, anything else wasn't covered.

I would try filing a claim but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the check.

Then you pay for the tear down to diagnose the problem, obvious or not. Then the deductible, then you must use one of their authorised service centres and pay top dollar for a third rate service.
But the shiny brochures with all the arrows pointing at what is covered are impressive !!!!

 

[reelfishin]

Re: Anyone ever made a claim to Amsoil

There were two of those type of 'Warranty' companies around here back when I was in the business, Wynn's and Continental. They were fine so long as the shop followed and agreed to their terms. They would send out an adjuster, who usually was pretty knowledgeable, but as a shop, you had to negotiate with the adjuster to get anything done right. The worst part was getting paid as a shop, if you made enough noise, they would pay you with a credit card over the phone for the repair, otherwise it was a check in the mail deal.

Back in the early 80's there was one synthetic 2 stroke oil which I had a part in testing for a while. It was made by a company called Pace Lubricants in Texas. It was a 100:1 mix oil. It ran fine and gave good protection but one drawback we saw was unburnt oil residue in the exhaust. We were testing it in air cooled motors, chainsaws, motorcycles, and various other air cooled equipment. It actually gave a performance boost over standard 50:1 mix, showed no additional wear but there were carbon issues since the oil tended not to burn in the combustion chamber. What we found was that after extended use, the exhaust system, cylinder head, and ports would become coated, often to the point of restricting engine performance.

The motors showed no noticeable wear compared to identical motors run on standard oil mixed 50:1.

The company is no longer there, so I have no idea what happened, or at least they have no web presence. The oil was sold in small packets not in bottles. I'm not sure if they had an outboard rated oil then or not.

While I did see good results in test engines, I'd still probably not chance a 100:1 mix in any of my own motors and I certainly didn't like the carbon and oil residue build up that we saw.

 

[pecheux]

Re: Anyone ever made a claim to Amsoil

Actualy nobody came up with an answer to my question.

Are we saying NOBODY ever "fryed" and OB engine using that 100:1 mix ?????????????? Or had premature wear justifying a claim to Amsoil for false publicity ?????

Come on guys ... there has been enough oil wars on these boards regarding that 100:1 mix ratio to justify a few "seized up" OB's !!!!!

Hey ... you dont have to be shy about it ... I need the feeback from those who had such problem and were let down by Amsoil.

Tx

 

[Howard Sterndrive]

Re: Anyone ever made a claim to Amsoil

I had a 1941 11.6HP Seawench Twin and I used 100:1 amsoil int.
It died.
They gave me a brand new 200HP E-tec. But the Etec was too big for my tin boat, so they gave me a new bass boat. The bass boat was too big for my trailer, so they gave me a new trailer with electric winch and radial tires. Then my car was to small to tow it, so they gave me a brand new Dodge Cummins Turbo diesel dually.... then I complained about the fuel economy of the new rig, so they gave me the company. Then I woke up.

 

[pecheux]

Re: Anyone ever made a claim to Amsoil

I had a 1941 11.6HP Seawench Twin and I used 100:1 amsoil int.
It died.
They gave me a brand new 200HP E-tec. But the Etec was too big for my tin boat, so they gave me a new bass boat. The bass boat was too big for my trailer, so they gave me a new trailer with electric winch and radial tires. Then my car was to small to tow it, so they gave me a brand new Dodge Cummins Turbo diesel dually.... then I complained about the fuel economy of the new rig, so they gave me the company. Then I woke up.

Cute reflexion of your opinion of the Amsoil Saber oil mixed at 100:1 ... LOL Nevertheless beating around the bush still does not answer my original question which is : Has anyone ever made a claim to Amsoil after having OB damage due to 100:1 mixture ??????

Knock knock ... anyone !!!!

PS: Anyone ever told you SantaClaus does not exist ?? LOL

 

[skargo]

Re: Anyone ever made a claim to Amsoil

I wonder why I refer to them as Scamsoil?

 

[pecheux]

Re: Anyone ever made a claim to Amsoil

I wonder why I refer to them as Scamsoil?

Yea I wonder why you do also ... spell it out ... when was your (or kinfolks) last claim to Amsoil related to using their recommended 100:1 mix ???????????????

I need such precious infos ...

 

[CATransplant]

Re: Anyone ever made a claim to Amsoil

Perhaps the reason nobody has answered your question is that very few people here on iboats.com forums use Amsoil at all. Thus, they would not have had an engine failure attributible to Amsoil, so they would not have filed a claim.

The absence of anyone who has filed a claim against Amsoil is evidence of nothing. Nobody here is saying that Amsoil will destroy your engine. We are saying...or at least most of us...that boaters should follow the recommendations of their engine manufacturers. That's good, safe advice.

Individuals, of course, may do as they wish. However, the advice given here is almost universally to follow the manufacturer's recommendations.

I'm not sure what the point of continuing this would be.

 

[pecheux]

Re: Anyone ever made a claim to Amsoil

Perhaps the reason nobody has answered your question is that very few people here on iboats.com forums use Amsoil at all. Thus, they would not have had an engine failure attributible to Amsoil, so they would not have filed a claim.

I'm not sure what the point of continuing this would be.

I suppose we can disagree and still be friends ...G (grin)

I dont agree with your statement. I have been reading a lot of Amsoil related threads on these boards in the past years regarding the Saber oil mix formulas, enough to have at least one motor seized up and a claim to Amsoil as a reference if they are lying or scaming about it.

The point is my own knowledge base since several people in my family (me also but a lighter level) have been heavily involved in oil related jobs (Veedol-Castrol) including 2 cycle oils.

The other point is that I've always been sensitive to unfounded "bashing" ... My life experience showed me that it's normaly against someone or something which is above average.

So if Amsoil is a scamsoil ... I would like to know true stories about that ... and my knowledge base is not satisfied with certain particular brain-dead bashing type comments that I have read over all these years.

I'm also curious, and must beleve other readers are also. I know very little about this Saber formula that can make an OB run at 100:1 and surely they (Amsoil) will not tell me the magic formula.

But if they are lying ... ha .. then we all want to know dont we ??? So we need a few OB's that got screwed up using that lean mix to confirm ... that's my point.

Cheers

 

[CATransplant]

Re: Anyone ever made a claim to Amsoil

Amsoil could be the best thing since sliced bread, but I don't really care. I don't use it. Actually, I have always used inexpensive brands of TCW3 oil in my outboard. Walmart or Mills Fleet Farm brands. They work just fine, and I've never heard of an engine failure caused by them, either.

My objection is with their 100:1 mixture recommendations. If their oil is TCW3 and I had some, I'd use it, mixing it according to the outboard manufacturer's recommendation. If it doesn't have TCW3 certification, then it simply wouldn't go in my outboard.

I have no idea whether it has that certification or not, but I've never seen it on the shelves of the places I buy outboard oil. So, it's really a non-issue for me.

You want someone to show you an engine failure caused by Amsoil. Good luck with that. You could ask to be shown an engine failure caused by Mercury's oil, and you'd get the same response.

Seems like much ado about nothing to me. A guy who uses TCW3 certified oil, in the ratio recommended by the outboard manufacturer is unlikely to ever have a oil-caused failure. So...why would anyone do anything else?

Why would you? It just doesn't make any sense to me.

One thing I can tell you for certain: Any time someone on iboats.com forums says that people should use 100:1 fuelil mix in their outboard, you'll find me telling them they're wrong to recommend that. It could void their warranty if they have a newer outboard, and just isn't safe in other motors. You'll see me saying the same thing when people say to run 50:1 in outboards that require 24:1.

Oil brands don't matter all that much, as long as the oil meets the certification standards. The ratio does matter.

 

[pecheux]

Re: Anyone ever made a claim to Amsoil

Amsoil could be the best thing since sliced bread, but I don't really care. I don't use it. Actually, I have always used inexpensive brands of TCW3 oil in my outboard. Walmart or Mills Fleet Farm brands. They work just fine, and I've never heard of an engine failure caused by them, either.

My objection is with their 100:1 mixture recommendations. If their oil is TCW3 and I had some, I'd use it, mixing it according to the outboard manufacturer's recommendation. If it doesn't have TCW3 certification, then it simply wouldn't go in my outboard.

I have no idea whether it has that certification or not, but I've never seen it on the shelves of the places I buy outboard oil. So, it's really a non-issue for me.

You want someone to show you an engine failure caused by Amsoil. Good luck with that. You could ask to be shown an engine failure caused by Mercury's oil, and you'd get the same response.

Seems like much ado about nothing to me. A guy who uses TCW3 certified oil, in the ratio recommended by the outboard manufacturer is unlikely to ever have a oil-caused failure. So...why would anyone do anything else?

Why would you? It just doesn't make any sense to me.

One thing I can tell you for certain: Any time someone on iboats.com forums says that people should use 100:1 fuelil mix in their outboard, you'll find me telling them they're wrong to recommend that. It could void their warranty if they have a newer outboard, and just isn't safe in other motors. You'll see me saying the same thing when people say to run 50:1 in outboards that require 24:1.

Oil brands don't matter all that much, as long as the oil meets the certification standards. The ratio does matter.

I know you stick by your opinion and that's ok, I've never read anything from you that showed disrespect or bashing, and I tend to agree with just about everything you just wrote.

Nevertheless I'm a curious person about new thecnologies.

Back in the late 60's I owned a 9 HP McCullogh OB and back then the McCullogh dealers would sell a 50:1 type oil and a 100:1 type oil (half can) and it did not matter which mix you used ... it did not void the waranty if you mixed at 100:1 with the right can, as long as you mixed according to the right container.

So If it was good enough for that company and those old technologie OB's ... I like to keep my eyes open for whatever lubrication technologie can be available on the market in 2009. I did notice that Saber oil to have a different adherence to metal ... in comparison to most other oils. Harley Davidson oil is also different than other motorcycle oil ... HD owners rightfully buy that.

Who could have thought when the 4 cycle OB's got here that eventualy a 2 cycle OB (E-tech) would be even or surpass cleanlyness of a 4 cycle OB ??

I just like to keep my eyes open ...

Cheers