Anyone here read Culture Warrior?

[Boomyal]

Re: Anyone here read Culture Warrior?

Here ya go tree

http://www.aclu.org/safefree/general/23926prs20060124.html

http://www.stoptheaclu.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19&Itemid=31

And as taxpayers, when the federal or local government pay these fees, it is OUR money paying them.

And you can add this to your list of daily reading.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48098

Treedance is probably jumping for joy. He ascribes to the 'it takes a village' to get things done in a proper leftist fashion and if the Federal funding of the ACLU does not fall into that niche, then I'll eat my portrait of Ronald Reagan.

 

[treedancer]

Re: Anyone here read Culture Warrior?

Read the above post and start chomping.8)

 

[i386]

Re: Anyone here read Culture Warrior?

I'm not endorsing the ACLU here, but I wouldn't call being awarded money in court federal funding.

To me, federal funding means the government cuts a check for the purpose of supporting an organization. Point me in the right direction if I missed something though.

 

[treedancer]

Re: Anyone here read Culture Warrior?

Boomyal is probably getting some Walla Walla sweets to so he can choke down that Reagan picture.:%

 

[Plainsman]

Re: Anyone here read Culture Warrior?

I am truly amazed! and sickened!! So the word "funding" is not the correct word. When they are "paid", "given money" is that a better for you? I will be sure to remember that every word that is posted better be correct!! My God!!! It all boils down to the same thing. Wipe the eye boogers out, clean your glasses and be realistic. This is why I have a "seething destain for liberals". The facts are in front of you and you refuse to see them. Ya I know. your not liberal, whatever. Keep lying to yourself.

'nuff said

 

[treedancer]

Re: Anyone here read Culture Warrior?

Quote Plainsman

Wipe the eye boogers out, clean your glasses and be realistic. This is why I have a "seething destain for liberals". The facts are in front of you and you refuse to see them. Ya I know. your not liberal, whatever. Keep lying to yourself.

Im lying to myself when I defend a group that is fighting for the preservation of the constitution, good grief don’t you believe in Your First Amendment rights.

The mission of the ACLU is to preserve all of these protections and guarantees:

You been yapping about the ACLU getting reimbursed for Attorneys fees, it makes up only 3% of their ACLU Foundation funding. there is this Right Wing Group that calls it self the Conservative ACLU,there real name is The (Thomas More Law Center) there stated goals are defending religious freedom, restoring "time honored values.when they win a case there not bashful about recovering legal fees.Here take a look.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_More_Law_Center

<<<Quote I am truly amazed! and sickened.>>>

How can some one be amazed and sickened buy someone defending an organization whose mission is the following. Its not like they have been deviating from anything that they haven’t done for the last 90 years this is the mission statement they had when they were founded in 1917 it still is the mission statement today.

If any one should be sickened it should be me. When did it become unpatriotic for an American citizen or Organization to give up their first amendment rights? Then other so called citizens have the gall to act like you are the ones that are the bad guys.Sometimes I have the feeling that I slipped into some kind of parallel universe, better start looking for the mad hatter.

The mission of the ACLU is to preserve all of these protections and guarantees:

Your First Amendment rights-freedom of speech, association and assembly. Freedom of the press, and freedom of religion supported by the strict separation of church and state.

You’re right to equal protection under the law - equal treatment regardless of race, sex, religion or national origin.

You’re right to due process - fair treatment by the government whenever the loss of your liberty or property is at stake.

Quote <<<"seething destain for liberals">>>

Good grief couldn’t you come up with something original; I guess thats why they call you a conservative no original thought.
Lets take a look at some of the things that the ACLU has been fighting for, for the last 90 years maybe we can get you’re thought process back on track.

Lets look at freedom of speech=If the government decides to limit your freedom of speech could you afford to defend it against the unlimited government treasury? I know that I couldn’t, I doubt there is anybody on this forum that could go against the power of our government in a court battle.At least with the ACLU the little man has a bit of a chance.

Freedom of the press=what is it about the freedom of the press that you don’t like? Don’t like what you term mainstream media? Would you like it better if all we had was Fox news? Oh I get it anything that you agree with that’s ok as long as it gets censured before it gets to the peoples ears. Gotta have that filtered news, can’t have any surprises. Which takes us to the next subject.

Freedom of religion=I your dream world which church should we go to, what day should we worship on, how about the freedom to not have a religion, if that s what you want?

Here comes a biggie next will take some thought on you part ready?

You’re right to equal protection under the law - equal treatment regardless of race, sex, religion or national origin.

=Lets take a group that you would like to discriminate against and let them defend themselves against the government, with what resources they have, who would that be? Any ideas who should we discriminate Against?

Lets go to the next subject.

Property rights=that seems to be getting a lot of play lately, both the Federal, and Local, governments. I guess you’re all for that one as long as they are not shaking you’re front door, and saying here take this nine thousand dollars, and be glad to get it, because we have imminent domain and you’re house is setting right where we want to put a parking lot. I guess I will go to bed and dream of something to make you sick for tomorrow.

 

[Plainsman]

Re: Anyone here read Culture Warrior?

You did a lot of work for a socialist group, is that what you stand for, socialism?

"The ACLU's founder, Roger Baldwin, stated: "We are for SOCIALISM, disarmament, and ultimately for abolishing the state itself... We seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and the SOLE CONTROL of those who produce wealth. COMMUNISM is the goal." (Source: Trial and Error, by Geo. Grant)"

Your true colors are showing, so just keep on defending them.....

But your property rights are neat..are they defendng people over Eminent domain?

Here is another good read for you:

http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article3775.html

 

[Tail_Gunner]

Re: Anyone here read Culture Warrior?

Quote Plainsman

Wipe the eye boogers out, clean your glasses and be realistic. This is why I have a "seething destain for liberals". The facts are in front of you and you refuse to see them. Ya I know. your not liberal, whatever. Keep lying to yourself.

Im lying to myself when I defend a group that is fighting for the preservation of the constitution, good grief don’t you believe in Your First Amendment rights.

The mission of the ACLU is to preserve all of these protections and guarantees:

You been yapping about the ACLU getting reimbursed for Attorneys fees, it makes up only 3% of their ACLU Foundation funding. there is this Right Wing Group that calls it self the Conservative ACLU,there real name is The (Thomas More Law Center) there stated goals are defending religious freedom, restoring "time honored values.when they win a case there not bashful about recovering legal fees.Here take a look.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_More_Law_Center

<<<Quote I am truly amazed! and sickened.>>>

How can some one be amazed and sickened buy someone defending an organization whose mission is the following. Its not like they have been deviating from anything that they haven’t done for the last 90 years this is the mission statement they had when they were founded in 1917 it still is the mission statement today.

If any one should be sickened it should be me. When did it become unpatriotic for an American citizen or Organization to give up their first amendment rights? Then other so called citizens have the gall to act like you are the ones that are the bad guys.Sometimes I have the feeling that I slipped into some kind of parallel universe, better start looking for the mad hatter.

The mission of the ACLU is to preserve all of these protections and guarantees:

Your First Amendment rights-freedom of speech, association and assembly. Freedom of the press, and freedom of religion supported by the strict separation of church and state.

You’re right to equal protection under the law - equal treatment regardless of race, sex, religion or national origin.

You’re right to due process - fair treatment by the government whenever the loss of your liberty or property is at stake.

Quote <<<"seething destain for liberals">>>

Good grief couldn’t you come up with something original; I guess thats why they call you a conservative no original thought.
Lets take a look at some of the things that the ACLU has been fighting for, for the last 90 years maybe we can get you’re thought process back on track.

Lets look at freedom of speech=If the government decides to limit your freedom of speech could you afford to defend it against the unlimited government treasury? I know that I couldn’t, I doubt there is anybody on this forum that could go against the power of our government in a court battle.At least with the ACLU the little man has a bit of a chance.

Freedom of the press=what is it about the freedom of the press that you don’t like? Don’t like what you term mainstream media? Would you like it better if all we had was Fox news? Oh I get it anything that you agree with that’s ok as long as it gets censured before it gets to the peoples ears. Gotta have that filtered news, can’t have any surprises. Which takes us to the next subject.

Freedom of religion=I your dream world which church should we go to, what day should we worship on, how about the freedom to not have a religion, if that s what you want?

Here comes a biggie next will take some thought on you part ready?

You’re right to equal protection under the law - equal treatment regardless of race, sex, religion or national origin.

=Lets take a group that you would like to discriminate against and let them defend themselves against the government, with what resources they have, who would that be? Any ideas who should we discriminate Against?

Lets go to the next subject.

Property rights=that seems to be getting a lot of play lately, both the Federal, and Local, governments. I guess you’re all for that one as long as they are not shaking you’re front door, and saying here take this nine thousand dollars, and be glad to get it, because we have imminent domain and you’re house is setting right where we want to put a parking lot. I guess I will go to bed and dream of something to make you sick for tomorrow.

Tree Hugger ya know something, your probalby a great guy, full of luv, spirit, and ambition. You articulate very well, and your passion for your belief's is to be commended.

But i cant help but believe someone took you out to the wood shed and instead of beating your Ar@@ they got your head.

 

[Link]

Re: Anyone here read Culture Warrior?

Nobody, save perhaps Ann Coulter, sells more books and makes more money, telling a defined segment of the population what they want to hear.

More power to him. It's the American Way!

Well I agree with you on this one PW
I had heard of Bill O'reilly and Ann Coulter, but had never heard anything they had to say or read their books.


But one night many moons ago there was a post about Ann and her book "G*DLESS" here on iboats.

Several people here on iboats slammed her for what she looked like. Someone even pointed out she had a Adams Apple.. They didn't have the B....s to say transvestite. but the hint was there. Petty to say the least.

The very next day a PNW local talk show host had her on.
First time I had ever heard her.
I thought she was well grounded and backed up her book with facts.

So I bought it just to support her.
Like she needs the extra money!

 

[treedancer]

Re: Anyone here read Culture Warrior?

Quote Plainsman

<Your true colors are showing, so just keep on defending them>

I’m extremely proud of my patriotism; I try not saying anything here that I wouldn’t say to anybody’s face. Its been trying at times, upon occasion what I say gets zapped. I found it better to take a little break and get a cup of coffee to settle down, this is one of those times.

I hope my colors are coming through loud and clear in support of an organization that supports the bill of rights, and the Constitution of the United States, of in my opinion, the greatest country on earth. Evidently you consider yourself a patriotic citizen Eric, what is your opinion of the present administration trying to weaken/revoke (the Posse Comitatus Act an 1878 law prohibiting the military from direct involvement in civilian law enforcement)?

Myself I find it freighting, and one step closer to dictatorship. So does the ACLU. That is only one of the 213 separate actions going that they are defending, including defense of “imminent domain”. Check this out.

http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/2376

For eight decades the American Civil Liberties Union has enraged liberals and conservatives alike. It is a {Constitutional watchdog} that defends persecuted minorities and preserves freedom of speech and dissent. I don’t agree with a lot of what they defend, but I’m not inclined to throw the baby out with the bath water, after all isn’t that what I was doing in the military, fighting for the right to think differently {i.e. freedom of speech and dissent} if we so desire? You’re damn right I’m proud of my colors, The Red, white, and Blue.

<< Quote Plainsman

You did a lot of work for a socialist group, is that what you stand for, socialism? >>

What gives you the idea that they are a socialist group? Could it be that you are parroting the propaganda that you here everyday on talk radio? Come on Eric expand your mind, get different ideas, don’t give in to propaganda with out checking it out, do some research on your own. How much research have you done on the ACLU? They definitely have had some bad PR, but being a socialist organization is not what they are about “now”. If you were trying to avoid all organizations that had socialist beginnings, you would go nuts.

If you’re sure that the media is slanted, use the computer to check out websites in other countries. As long as you have power to your computer you’re not without the resources to get accurate information. The three rules I try to follow are listen, read, verify. Sometimes I get it wrong but at least I’ve given it some thought and effort, and most times I can back up my opinion.

The founder of Fox News /News Corp. Rupert Murdock admits that Fox News is slanted to the right. If you check his family background in Australia, I believe you would come up with some surprise, but it is not relevant to what he does today. The same can be said about the ACLU, its beginnings were suspect, but what it does today is protect our freedoms, and in my opinion the most important part of our Constitution. Whether you agree with them one hundred percent are not, they are still protecting an important freedom that we enjoy. I don’t know how any true American can be against an Organization that is protecting our freedoms, and still proclaim themselves to be a flag waving patriot, beyond me.

 

[Plainsman]

Re: Anyone here read Culture Warrior?

Internet has been down due to the storms here..

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"I hope my colors are coming through loud and clear in support of an organization that supports the bill of rights, and the Constitution of the United States, of in my opinion, the greatest country on earth."

This is the group that wants to take God out of this nation. Taking cities to court to get a cross removed from their buildings. Trying to get crosses removed from memorials to our fallen heroes. I guess the cities like St Paul are next? Can't have cities named after a Saint now can we? I for one am not afraid to have God as a part of what this country is and for what it stands for.

Taking God out of this country is like taking the pyramids out of Egypt. Your not defining who were were or who were are.

You are right that this is the greatest nation on earth, and it wasn't founded because they were afraid of hurting someone's feelings.


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"What gives you the idea that they are a socialist group? Could it be that you are parroting the propaganda that you here everyday on talk radio? Come on Eric expand your mind, get different ideas, don’t give in to propaganda with out checking it out, do some research on your own. How much research have you done on the ACLU? They definitely have had some bad PR, but being a socialist organization is not what they are about “now”. If you were trying to avoid all organizations that had socialist beginnings, you would go nuts."

I don't need to "parrot" anything. I come to my own conclusions from the facts. And the facts show that this group is not good for America. They are against everything the government is doing to protect us,the patriot act for one, phone taps to overseas only, not domestic calls.

I am sure this group has done some good, what it is I don't know.

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"The founder of Fox News /News Corp. Rupert Murdock admits that Fox News is slanted to the right"

At least he has the guts to admit what he stands for and I respect his honesty and openness. I wish the rest of the media had guts like him and admit what they are doing and why.

What webpage did this come from
"For eight decades the American Civil Liberties Union has enraged liberals and conservatives alike. It is a {Constitutional watchdog} that defends persecuted minorities and preserves freedom of speech and dissent." ?

 

[treedancer]

Re: Anyone here read Culture Warrior?

Quote Plainsman

What webpage did this come from
"For eight decades the American Civil Liberties Union has enraged liberals and conservatives alike. It is a {Constitutional watchdog} that defends persecuted minorities and preserves freedom of speech and dissent." ?

Here ya go that Commi front the Smithsonian.

http://www.smithsonianmagazine.com/issues/1998/january/aclu.php

Quote Plainsman

This is the group that wants to take God out of this nation. Taking cities to court to get a cross removed from their buildings.

No, just public buildings, here is another link it is from an impartial group. If you want to believe what they say or not, thats up to you, but check it out anyway. They put the ACLU to there test and the ACLU scored about the same as the other side, in my opinion that is a good thing, that means that they are impartial. Here’s the link and a brief excerpt of what they are about.

http://www.acluprocon.org/top10.htm

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Our purpose is educational. We do not express opinions on the foundation's research projects, but believe:

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[POINTER94]

Re: Anyone here read Culture Warrior?

Just another communist disguising himself as a socialist taking advantage of the freedoms provided by democracy.

The goals of the ACLU were clear from the group’s founding, as indicated by the writings of its founder, Roger Baldwin: “I am for socialism, disarmament, and ultimately for abolishing the state itself as an instrument of violence and compulsion. I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class… Communism is the goal.”



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