Applying GelCoat

Plainsman

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I applied 4 coats of poly gel coat over the weekend using a prevail spayer. It came out very pitted and not even. I mixed 1/6of an oz of the hardener to 5 oz of gel coat with 1/2 oz of acetone. The paint in the jar hardened after using about 2oz of paint.

Is there a better way to apply the gel coat?
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ztim

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Re: Applying GelCoat

In some, like fiberglass, the amount of hardener you use can make all the difference in the world. I would rather use very little with a longer cure time. At least it won't be brittle.

For the pitting. Is it the orange peel effect? Sometimes the air pressure needs to be adjusted.
 

flashback

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Why did you put acetone in it? If you want to thin gelcoat,you need to use styrene and very sparingly.. a prevail sprayer is great for small touch-ups, no good for large areas... and in all cases, you will need to wet sand and buff the finished product. gel does not flow out and leaves an orange peel .................
 

ondarvr

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Re: Applying GelCoat

Prevail sprayers are very slow, so if it took you more than ten minutes or so to get the 2.oz out, it would have a very good chance getting hard. Not sure what the temps are in Nebraska, but every 15 degrees over 77* will cut the gel time about in half, so if it was 90*, a 15 minute gel time product formulated for 1.5% catalyst at 77* (the temp that gel coat is tested at), would have around a 9 minute gel time. You needed about 2.25 grams of catalyst for 1.5%, you added about 5 grams, so this would cut the gel time even shorter.

A small amount (< 5%) of acetone is OK, but not recommended, styrene is a better choise, but not very easy to get, so most people use acetone.

The pits can be from a few different things, Prevails will sputter and some of the compressed gas will escape if it's not held upright, the gas will bubble when it gets mixed into the gel coat and may leave pits.

If you added wax to the gel coat it can start to instantly harden when it's cooled by the compressed gas coming out of the tip. This can be compounded because of the acetone, acetone evaporates very fast and cools the wax even more. These small chunks of wax hit the surface and can leave pits, so when you sand into the surface you may also find porosity.

Another cause of pits, is if there are tiny pin holes in the area you are spraying, with the low flow of the Prevail, it's hard to fill these tiny pits, so they show up as it cures. Again acetone can make this worse, when its thinned, the gel coat can flow around the pin holes instead of covering them. This is very common when spraying over raw sanded fiberglass.

Sometimes when gel coat is over catalyzed it will gas off more than normal, this can leave porosity or pits.

If you hold the sprayer too close or too far away it can cause ripples, orange peel, pits, and bumps.
 

Plainsman

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Re: Applying GelCoat

Thanks for the replies. I know I have to sand it, just trying to find a way to lay it on more evenly. I think I'm going to try a camel hair brush.
 

dmarkvid2

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Re: Applying GelCoat

I was going to say I heard people brushing it on, and it smooths itself out
 

ondarvr

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You can apply gel coat with a brush, some are even formulated for brushing, but they are rare. If you are very careful with a brush it will be OK, but not as smooth as spraying.

How big of an area are you spraying?
 

ondarvr

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Prevails can spray like that when the unit is held at an angle, it's hard to do an area on the hull like that with one.
Sometimes you get one that just won't spray very well too.

If there's no wax in the gel coat you sprayed, just brush some over it and start sanding. If there is wax, then you need to sand it before applying more.

Also, if the gel coat starts to gel, as it thickens the fan will get worse and it will start spitting.
 

rocketboy52

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Re: Applying GelCoat

I've sprayed Gel coat on two projects now, and both of them turned out good. I used Car Spraying (binks model) gun, and went and bought a 2mm orifice. I evercoat gel coat from west Marine, mixed the hardner by volume, not by drops, and then mixed in 25% acetone and it worked great. I sprayed at 60 psi, and was very happy with the results. There was minor orange peel, but a light sanding with 320 and 600 and a buff and it looks mirror shiney after wax. Check out the projects at:

http://tinyurl.com/ogl5n

http://www.eriklassen.com/projects/hobie18/index.htm
 

Plainsman

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Re: Applying GelCoat

I ended up using a beaver hair brush, it turned out better than the sprayer did.
Thanks for all the help and advice guys!
 

kfraser

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Re: Applying GelCoat

When redoing gelcoated decks on larger boats it is normally applied with a foam roller designed specifically for gel coat. The gelcoat is self leveling and will give you a good shine after a light wet sand and buff. I re-gelcoated the bottom portion of my Sportcraft hull which came out with a terrific shine. I purchased the rollers and supplies from Hamilton Marine, but I'm sure you could find them right here on Iboats.

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