Arc weld a cracked block with nikel rods?

SharpeCon

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Re: Arc weld a cracked block with nikel rods?

Ayuh,... Nickle is the filler of Choice with Cast Iron...

After reading this thread, givin your expertise and experience, what are my chances this is gonna hold and there arnt any more cracks that I could not see?
 

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Re: Arc weld a cracked block with nikel rods?

Ayuh,.... Roll the Dice,... You've got Nothing to lose....:rolleyes:
 

dr_bowtie

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Re: Arc weld a cracked block with nikel rods?

cast iron is like cement concrete....

with enough heat cycles it's guaranteed to crack...
 

fabrimacator21

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Re: Arc weld a cracked block with nikel rods?

Ayuh,.... Bullship.....
Nickle rod don't care How it's applied,... You can even Ox/ Ac it in place.... A Bead is a Bead...


Yes a bead is a bead.... but that doesn't mean they are all of equal strength... I am a welder/fabricator and it's common knowledge that arc is one of the strongest welds there is... Penetrates ALOT deeper.... only sub ARC is stronger (what is used to build heavy equipment).

Say you were gonna mig up a "v".... and say your done in 4 passes... With ARC it would take 6-8 passes to get the same amount of buildup... and no it's not the heat settings.

Sure you can oxy weld.... that doesn't mean that it's gonna be as strong as a arc weld.

Any cast parts that I repair ALWAYS get arc welded... My boss won't let me mig cast.
 

jtybt

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Re: Arc weld a cracked block with nikel rods?

Faber,
I mig the exhaust manifold water passages closed with 1/2" steel rod ground to fit so I'm filling a 1/4"-3/8" V. I didn't have a torch to pre-heat and no oven. You could hear the cast 'tinking' away as it cracked and cooled. I tried to keep the heat down so I kept the bead about 1/2-3/4".

Would cutting out a section of old manifold to fill the water passages instead of the steel rod helped reduce the cracking?

I plan to go to the aluminum exhaust manifold next time around. Never welded aluminum before. I get to do a lot of practicing.

How important is knowing what type aluminum you're welding?

How is welding cast aluminum? More difficult?
 

fabrimacator21

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Re: Arc weld a cracked block with nikel rods?

Faber,
I mig the exhaust manifold water passages closed with 1/2" steel rod ground to fit so I'm filling a 1/4"-3/8" V. I didn't have a torch to pre-heat and no oven. You could hear the cast 'tinking' away as it cracked and cooled. I tried to keep the heat down so I kept the bead about 1/2-3/4".

Would cutting out a section of old manifold to fill the water passages instead of the steel rod helped reduce the cracking?

I plan to go to the aluminum exhaust manifold next time around. Never welded aluminum before. I get to do a lot of practicing.

How important is knowing what type aluminum you're welding?

How is welding cast aluminum? More difficult?

The cracking was because it wasn't preheated and peened.

I wouldn't say you need to cut out a new piece... Grind it out, and get your hands on a torch, preheat it to at least 450*, weld, peen.

1/2" rod is pretty beefy. I like to use more weld then filler rod. Anything over 1/8"-3/16" is over killer unless you have a big gap. With a filler rod that thick you have a big cold spot in the middle of the welds.

You want just enough filler to keep you from burning through... the rest should be weld. If you lay your filler rod over the crack then your not really welding the crack which is weaker. If at all possible you don't want to use filler rod unless you have a decent sized gap between materials or the material is so thin that you have to use a filler rod.

If you have any pics I could tell you exactly what you need to do... not quite sure what you mean by welding the water passages closed.

As far as aluminum goes:

Cast aluminum is pretty much all the same except for the amount of sand it has in it but it needs to be tigged...

Run one or two passes without rod(fusion weld). That'll burn all the peroscity/sand out... Because of all the sand in cast you need to keep fusion welding it until you don't see any air bubbles in your weld. Then you can start using filler rod and weld it permantly.
 

jtybt

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Re: Arc weld a cracked block with nikel rods?

OK! Thanks. I got a little tig mainly for SS tubing.

I like welding, it's fun.
 

ENSIGN

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Re: Arc weld a cracked block with nikel rods?

Pressure test the engine and run it,before you put it back in!!!
 
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