Are lighs supposed to drain?

Socal Pat

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Stupid question I know. I just replaced all 6 of my trailer lights. They worked fine when I left for my last camping trip. Hooked up the boat yesterday and NADA. After spending an hour or so testing voltages and continuity (it couldn't have been 6 bad bulbs afterall) turns out that all 4 fixtures were wet inside. So should I make an extra effort to siloicone these shut watertight or are they supposed to drain in the event of water entry?
Thanks
 

flycaster

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Re: Are lighs supposed to drain?

You can replace all of the lights with the new LED lights.
The problem with the lights you currently have is that you forgot to disconnect the wiring harness before backing the trailer into the water. The bulbs were hot and when coming in contact with the cold water they cracked. The light housings are not waterproof nor water repellent.
 

Philster

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Re: Are lighs supposed to drain?

Yep. Unplug the lights when dunking the trailer.
 

Gary H NC

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Re: Are lighs supposed to drain?

Depends on the lights you had.They do sell waterproof lights sealed in epoxy that can be dunked.
I buy mine at truck stops for the marker lights and many places sell sealed tail lights.
I have never unplugged mine and not had a problem.
 

Socal Pat

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Re: Are lighs supposed to drain?

DOH! Why doesn't somebody ever tell me these things? I did look at a submersible set of LED lights for $60, but opted to just go cheap and replace the bulbs for now. Thanks a million!
 

kenmyfam

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Re: Are lighs supposed to drain?

Our "sealed" lights are now approaching 25 years old. I unplug every time anyway and have never had an issue yet.
 

boat1010

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Re: Are lighs supposed to drain?

I use regular trailer lights, bulbs not LED. I have had the boat 6 years and have never replaced the bulbs. I never unplug my trailer lights when loading or unloading. In fact I use the trailer as "landing lights" when I put the boat on the trailer at night.
 

fishrdan

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Re: Are lighs supposed to drain?

Hmm, Seems like everyone has had different experiences. On my little jon boat trailer I was constantly working on the lights as the trailer rides hard. If it isn't corrosion in the electrical connection it was popped bulbs, seemed I was monkeying with the trailer lights every 6-10 trips because of some bulb related problem. My 17' glass boat trailer had similar problems, but not as often as the light jon boat trailer.

My (cheap) lights came with gaskets that were useless after 6 months, hard and deformed. Sealing the lens with silicone did work really well and I never had a problem with blown lights after that. Well, until I broke the housing in the garage,,, ooops... The lights had a drain hole in the bottom in the event water did get inside, but with the silicone seal, water intrusion was little to none. With the foam gaskets I could see the lights bubbling under the water as they slowly filled with water :rolleyes:

I replaced the back lights with a set of Harbor Freight LED lights ($30) and haven't had a problem since then, been a year or so without light failures. The side running lights are still incandescent as I've never had a problem blowing the side lights.

(FYI, some lights come with sealed bulb assemblies so water can not get to the bulb,,, but neither can you to replace the bulb. I have this type on my new (new to me) trailer and doubt I will have to monkey with the bulbs.)
 

Minuteman

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Re: Are lighs supposed to drain?

I have the old "sealed lens" w/ incandescent bulbs. Never had a problem till I started using my Chevy Blazer this year. Turns out that since the running lights are on all the time they were hot backing in when I would get to the water. POP!

Water should not get up in these type because of the "Diving Bell" principle, but since the seals got old, some water was getting in. Resealed them with silicon but still unplug them anyway.
 

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Re: Are lighs supposed to drain?

I performed a little experiment with my new lights recently, this is what I did.

I investigated all the "sealed" marine lights on the market and came to the conclusion that they are just cheap lights with good gaskets, none of the ones I looked at had stainless materials inside etc.

So I decided to create my own sealed light assy from a cheap set of lights, they worked great and did not get any water inside when I dunked the trailer. I thought I was so smart until I had to change a bulb in one of them...should have bought the good quality bulbs instead of the cheap ones it came with.

Upon disassembly I discovered that no water had intruded into the structure as I had designed...instead moisture had accumulated from simple condensation and the bulb holders were severely corroded. It was then I thought maybe they need some venting so moisture does not accumulate, I drilled some 1/4" holes in the bottom and since they were still sealed water would not accumulate when they were dunked from the air trapped inside. I should mention that I also packed the bulb holders with silicone grease to ensure the contacts didn't continue to corrode.

The next year I decided to take the opposite side apart and replace the bulb with a good quality one even though it had not burned out yet, preventative maintenance I thought. When I disassembled it I found much of the same corrosion even though the drain I had drilled prevented water intrusion when the trailer was dunked.

I have now officially given up on conventional lights and will upgrade to LED's next season even though I think they are really overpriced for what you get. I don't think there is anyway to stop corrosion inside a light housing unless the entire structure is completely sealed and encapsulated in epoxy. They still work and I don't unplug my lights when I launch or retrieve...I like the landing light thing myself at night.

IMHO I think it is impossible to prevent corrosion in a poorly ventilated space such as a light fixture even if it is well drained, silicone grease works wonder on preventing corrosion on the contacts but anything metal will still corrode eventually.

So if you never want to have to do it again get the LED's and seal the wiring appropriately, if you want it to last more than few years get the marine ones but they won't last forever. If your cheap you can make your own "marine versions" and seal them up...drill a drain hole in the bottom first though.

;)
 

marlboro180

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Re: Are lighs supposed to drain?

DOH! Why doesn't somebody ever tell me these things? I did look at a submersible set of LED lights for $60, but opted to just go cheap and replace the bulbs for now. Thanks a million!

I see you've figured this out already that they are supposed to drain, but thought I'd throw in my .02.
When I put on a set of "submersible lights " by Petersen , I had soldered the connections inside the fixtures, siliconed the gasket surfaces on the top and sides, not the bottom, put dielectric grease in the sockets and sprayed the rather poorly plated steel parts inside with battery terminal protector.
While I can't really say if this will work out for the long term, I have my hopes as I've used a similar process on the rest of my trailers (that don't get dunked) for years and have very few issues.
On the ones that do get dunked, I almost always unplug the trailer lights prior to them going in the water .
Hot lights don't like cold water, and seeing as when I pull a trailer , the running lights are always on.
 

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Re: Are lighs supposed to drain?

You can replace all of the lights with the new LED lights.
The problem with the lights you currently have is that you forgot to disconnect the wiring harness before backing the trailer into the water. The bulbs were hot and when coming in contact with the cold water they cracked. The light housings are not waterproof nor water repellent.

I have never in almost 30 years of trailering boats unplugged the lights before backing in the water and I have NEVER had a bulb pop because it hit cold water. Then again, I use sealed marker lights and submersible tail lights so water should never hit the bulb anyway.
 

Socal Pat

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Re: Are lighs supposed to drain?

I can guarantee you that the Harbor Freight trailer I'm using has no sealed marker or submersible trailer lights. I have used it for a year or so though before the lights went all at once.
 

outdrsmn82

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Re: Are lighs supposed to drain?

i just decided to spend the extra $$ and got the waterproof LEDs. let me tell you i love them. they are so much brighter then the standard lights. i dont have to have anyone check the lights for me as i am normally able to see them on my own.
 

outdrsmn82

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Re: Are lighs supposed to drain?

i have never heard of unplugging my lights before putting it in water. i havent ever had any issues either. am i just lucky? my LEDs have a drain on the bottom of the light housing that leds it fill and empty as needed.
 
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