Are my wheels ok?

Utahboatnut

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Re: Are my wheels ok?

You don't need new hubs unless the ones you have are damaged, other than a bit of surface rust they look fine in the photo. As I mentioned the hardest part is getting the old bearing cups or races(whichever you want to call them) out and the new ones back into the hub. You can drive the old ones out with a punch or large brass drift pin just be careful not to scar up the inside of the hub too much. Once they are both out(note the direction of the taper BEFORE you take them out) then you need to drive the new ones back in. This is the trickiest part, if you can get a race driver it is pretty easy otherwise it is tough to seat them all the way without damageing them. Slow and steady is the key here light taps to seat them down and try to keep them level if they get on an angle it can make the job way harder. If you cant get a race driver some people use the old race they take out, cut it with a hack saw and use that to drive the new ones in (you have to cut it so it doesn't get stuck in there because it will and then its real tough to get it back out. To start the race into the hub use a block of wood to drive it in until it is flush with the hub then you need some means to finish driving it in until its fully seated. Some times you can find a big socket that will work but it's O.D. HAS to be just smaller than the O.D. of the race. Using soft hammer blows keep going around keeping it as level as possible until its fully seated then repeat on other race and other hub. I always leave the wheel attached to the hub it makes it much more stable to work on. Read up on how to properly pack the bearing itself and how to preload them with the big nut that holds the whole assembly togather, then you back it off to about finger tight. You don't want to tighten the big nut too much or your new bearing job will be for not. Read all you can on packing and tightening correctly.
 

Gary H NC

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Re: Are my wheels ok?

I have a special punch designed for removing the races...they can be a pain.
For a Noob thats why i suggested buying new hubs.Already all assembled,just slide it on,put the nut and cotter key on....your done..;)

NEVER replace bearings and use the old races....asking for trouble...

If you were closer i would say just bring it over and i'll check the bearings out and repack...:p
 

Utahboatnut

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Re: Are my wheels ok?

I agree with Gary, if you have the $$ the new hub route is the way to go...
 

Biggems

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Re: Are my wheels ok?

Well I dont have much money, but I dont have much knowledge on the subject either! lol

So if I buy a new hub, it's already put together, and all i have to do is bolt it in? how much would that set me back? I'm thinking that is the better option at this point.
 

Gary H NC

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Re: Are my wheels ok?

It would run you about 60 bucks for both sides.
Remove the center dust cap,pull out the cotter pin,unscrew the big nut and remove it and the big washer behind it.

Give the old hub a yank and the complete assembly pops off.
Wipe the axle clean,smear some fresh grease on it and push the new hub on.
Put the big washer back on,screw the nut in snug,give the hub a spin and back the nut out about half a turn or until the hub spins easy but has no side to side play.
Put the cotter key back in (you get a new one with the hub kit) then put the dust cover back on with a rubber hammer.

Done, New hubs,bearings,seals,lugs and new lug nuts...and piece of mind..:)
 

kamby

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Re: Are my wheels ok?

I think if you see in the video the guy uses a hammer end to pop the races out, and a socket. he sets the races with a big piece of pip it looks like after setting them in with the old race. My hubs that im working on have a stop in side to prevent the races from going to far (but than again everyone i worked on had them too) To get those in crooked youd really have to wail on one side of the race, but if you go slow and apply equal pounds to all sides of the race then it should go in strait. Just dont put them in upside down. My hub the lug nuts are are on the bolts that hold the tire in and the hub has holes. This is on a little camper. But for some reason who ever packed them last forgot the washer behind the big spindle nut.
 

AZcamperguy

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Re: Are my wheels ok?

Sorry if I missed it, but if I want to go the easy route and replace the whole hub then how do I know which one to get? There are several different ones on the iboats site.
 

Gary H NC

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Sorry if I missed it, but if I want to go the easy route and replace the whole hub then how do I know which one to get? There are several different ones on the iboats site.

The bearings will have a number on the side of them,so get a hub with matching numbers or take the old one with you to to a Northern Tool or Tractor Supply and they will tell you the size.
Then come home and order them from Iboats...:D
 

Moody Blue

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Re: Are my wheels ok?

I'll add my recent experience (yesterday) regarding wheel bearings and hubs.

New to me 40yr old trailer last summer so I decided to replace bearings before the boating season begins this year. Pulled the hubs and bearings appeared not too bad but for my piece of mind wanted to change them out anyways. Went out and bought new bearing kits then knocked the old races out of the hubs and they came out really easy. Humm I thought, got lucky there, this should be REAL easy. When I went to install the new inner races they were a tight fit going back in UNTIL just before they seated then they literally fell in. The inner races just freely spun in the hubs so the hubs were shot. Got out the inside micrometer and sure enough the ID's were about 0.006" oversized in the area where the race seats.

Now I have two opened and "used" bearing kits AND I ended up having to buy new hubs. Guess I now have two spare bearing sets :rolleyes:

If you go with the new hubs, be sure to properly pack the bearings and load up the hub with grease.
 

AZcamperguy

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Re: Are my wheels ok?

The bearings will have a number on the side of them,so get a hub with matching numbers or take the old one with you to to a Northern Tool or Tractor Supply and they will tell you the size.
Then come home and order them from Iboats...:D
Well, I have neither of those stores in my state (Arizona) so I guess I will have to figure something else out. Do you think a regular auto parts store would be able to tell me the correct hub?
 

redone4x4

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Re: Are my wheels ok?

try any trailer repair place. or any RV dealer. Or any boat dealer. they should all have them. I know you could get them easily in the phoenix area.
 
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