Are the three branches of the Federal Govt' trampling on the citizenry ?

[bootle]

What are the pros and cons here?<br />Is the first amendment really being eroded here?<br /> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5034100.stm

 

[JB]

Re: Are the three branches of the Federal Govt' trampling on the citizenry ?

We are in a situation we have never been in before. The Government is trying hard to protect us without restricting our liberties and privacy any more than necessary. What is necessary? That's what you are complaining about.<br /><br />My choice is to not infringe one millimeter on my freedoms and privacy, but I am a warrior and wouldn't blame the Feds if they missed another one like they missed 9/11/01.<br /><br />Most people are not that way. They want to be protected and taken care of (as in NO) and couldn't wait to blame some overworked and overstressed bureaucrat when something else happens.<br /><br />It is easy to take my attitude when you live many miles away from any concentration of population and keep loaded weapons in several convenient locations.<br /><br />I feel for the city sheeple. The only worse thing than living in fear is living with guilt.

 

[bootle]

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" It is easy to take my attitude when you live many miles away from any concentration of population and keep loaded weapons in several convenient locations"<br /><br />JB,<br /> I do not live in a rural area, and i personally don't feel the need for me to possess loaded weapons on my premises, however my belief is not much unlike that of your own as it pertains to those who would prefer that the govt' provide their every wants and needs.<br /><br />If the elected or appointed responsible parties and agents of the Federal Govt' abuses their use of authority or misuses the assets of govt' in ways that calls into question their ethics or legality, Why chastize the honest citizen for exposing such behaviour?

 

[Laddies]

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One of the biggest problems with this great nation is the citizens think the the goverment can or should protect them against every thing. This is simply impossiable the citizens need to take responcablity for themselves and thier families, not only as far as safety, but morally, religiously and finacially. Life is not a free ride, you cannot be dependent on this goverment or any other and still have your freedom

 

[Mr. Ross]

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Originally posted by Laddies:<br /> One of the biggest problems with this great nation is the citizens think the the goverment can or should protect them against every thing. This is simply impossiable the citizens need to take responcablity for themselves and thier families, not only as far as safety, but morally, religiously and finacially. Life is not a free ride, you cannot be dependent on this goverment or any other and still have your freedom

Amen!!!!!

 

[rodbolt]

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I am with JB.<br /> my safty is mopstly my responsibility.<br /> cops are only good for taking reports after the fact.<br /> same as the feds.<br /> my guess is we will be attacked again by terrorists either domestic or international.<br /> the fed can restrict all our rights and it will still happen.<br /> best we can hope for is good non-cherry picked intel with action taken for other than political gain.<br />in my area if someone was comming in and I call the cops its 10-15 min and I am about as afraid of the local cops as I am a crook.<br /><br /> so I figgure on enough ammo and weapons for a 15 min standoff anyway.<br /><br /> but to waste the time on most of the kneejerk frrl good stuff I have seen in the past 5 years is laughable.<br /> feels good and makes good CNN but is mostly window dressing.

 

[Link]

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JB<br />

My choice is to not infringe one millimeter on my freedoms and privacy, but I am a warrior and wouldn't blame the Feds if they missed another one like they missed 9/11/01

I would change the "if" to When and I agree with you.<br />Also I wonder if the general public could handle knowing what all our goverment has already done in stopping crimes like that.<br /><br />I'm not a sheeple but I do live in a Chitty <br /><br />What good is a gun, if it's not loaded?<br />Might as well just by a baseball bat! Lot cheaper too

 

[PW2]

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I don't worry too much about my rights being eroded with this administration.<br /><br />From a competence level, they haven't shown the ability to spell "cat" if you spot them the "c" and the "t".<br /><br />Still, I do worry a bit about future administrations, who may not be quite as incompetent, while wielding a lot of newly found power.<br /><br />And the notion of people either expecting the gov't to take care of them, or expecting the gov't to totally stay out of their business is yet another bogus straw man argument. We live in a society. Gov't has a role. Not the sole roll, or the overriding role, but a role nonetheless.<br /><br />No mainstream political idealogy has argued any differently. They may disagree a little on the extent of the involvement, but never that it should be all-encompassing, or non-existant.

 

[rodbolt]

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PW2<br /> that I can agree with.<br /> its a delicate balance.<br /> in my area they passed an ordinace prohibiting me and others from target shooting out back. it was due to some idiots in town and I technically live within town limits. most time they dont bother me or call and tell me to knock it off.<br /> I dont like the ordanance but I do understand it,<br /> seems some idiots,a .44 pistol and some beer created an issue.

 

[Mr. Ross]

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I don't believe 'mainstream' is what the founding fathers had in mind.<br /><br />Try Europe for that philosophy.

 

[Skinnywater]

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My choice is to not infringe one millimeter on my freedoms and privacy, but I am a warrior and wouldn't blame the Feds if they missed another one like they missed 9/11/01.

Beautiful statement and I agree.<br />I resent those Americans that are willing to give up a fraction of freedoms or privacy because by doing so they make vulnerable the same that I choose to value.<br />

Are the three branches of the Federal Govt' trampling on the citizenry ?

I see blatant examples of the citizenry not being represented.<br />While I see big money, big business, big government, big medicine, big Ag, big oil, and big mouths being breast fed representation.

 

[alden135]

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Are the three branches of the Federal Govt' trampling on the citizenry ?<br /><br /><br />Yes.<br /><br />We have an executive branch elected by conservatives and moderates that caters to liberals. <br /><br />We have a judicial branch trashing the constitution.<br /><br />We have a legislative branch that blows us off.

 

[bootle]

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May i repeat this question?<br />"If the elected or appointed responsible parties and agents of the Federal Govt' abuses their use of authority or misuses the assets of govt' in ways that calls into question their ethics or legality, Why chastize the honest citizen for exposing such behaviour?"

 

[DJ]

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Government, as a definition, defined by our by-laws, has really only one purpose. That purpose is to provide protection against foreign powers that would do the US citizenry harm. That's it.<br /><br />Government was never itentioned to become a "nanny".<br /><br />Everyone is freaking out about the government collecting data regarding phone calls. Everyone seems to forget (thanks media) that they never listened to one conversation. They were merely looking at call frequency data from/to known terrorist hot spots.<br /><br />I guess my call to Dubai yesterday puts me on that list. I'm not worried.

 

[Skinnywater]

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Why chastize the honest citizen for exposing such behaviour?"

Maybe no less suspicious but the high court found in part concluded that "Government Employees" rather than "citizen" may have some freedoms limited. In this case it was tried on the basis that whisle blowing to complaining on the job was not protected by free speech.<br />

Everyone is freaking out about the government collecting data regarding phone calls.

That, the above, changes in personal banking practices, traditional due process and search and siezure law, emminent domain and private property rights should worry you, or at least be seriously considered.<br /><br />Saving the second amendment to another thread, all the examples here are issues regarding the first through six with a little Declaration of Indepedence thrown in.<br /><br />Really this drives home the point how several small bites of freedom can be taken away and still be seen as only"government collecting data regarding phone calls" by many.