Asian auto maker coming this way?

[Wimperdink]

http://www.statesman.com/business/content/business/stories/11/30chinacars.html <br /><br />This is going to have a serious effect on the domestic auto makers.

 

[Pony]

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Our domestic auto industry is already taking hits from the overseas market.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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And the morons will keep buying foreign made goods...."Cause it's cheaper"....That that "whoosh" you hear is the sound of jobs & money leaving the country.....JK

 

[Pony]

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Yup JK, just like my neighbor who claimed gas mileage as her reason...........HAHA yeah the new chevrolets get the exact same.

 

[Wimperdink]

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Just curious did everyone miss the part about the domestic factory workers making upwards of 65 bucks an hour? I'd go downhill in a quick hurry having to pay an employee $65 an hour.

 

[SS MAYFLOAT]

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The word "Yugo" was mentioned in the article. So maybe it may be a Yogo type thing with those cheap SUV's.

 

[Pony]

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Dink $65 also includes health benifits. If its anything like the factories like B&S for example, the second lowest protection is $1,000 per month for a family.....and thats not a whole lot of protection either. So to see what we really make we need to know what their benefits package is like...............<br /><br />Their hourly rate isnt keeping them from selling more cars.

 

[Wimperdink]

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yes it is pony... they have to cover their costs. high wages = high costs = high vehicle prices = I wont buy a new car because of the amount of value they lose when you drive them off the lot. Any new car not just american. I used to be all for american cars only but when you can get double the distance out of a foriegn car, i'd be silly not to. Bargains and deals are the american way. If they werent, the fiesta and chevettes and the like would have never made their place into the market. And thats why this spells danger for the domestic markets.

 

[QC]

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This is a HUGE issue. We are going to have a big trading conflict with them. They copy everything and pay us for nothing. Let alone their labor costs.<br /><br />Personally, I believe it will all sort itslef out though . . . It has to.

 

[Pony]

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Chevrolet Cobalt : $13,600 msrp<br />Honda Civic : $13,300 msrp<br /><br />Toyota Tacoma : ($13,400 - $22,200) msrp <br />Dakota: ($18,000-$25,00) msrp<br /><br />Ill admit there is a big diffence in Truck prices for foreign vs domestics, but the cars seem pretty similar....at least what I have looked at.<br /><br />Now this may be off topic, but there are too many varieties of domestics. There are a handful of trim options and price scales fo the Tacoma, but a page worth with the Dakota. That isnt exactly keeping costs down either.......Not to mention that we have GMC and Chevrolet which put out essential the same vehicles....not to mention Ford vs Mecury ( formerly Buick and Oldsmobile and Plymouth and Dodge were as well)

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Whoosh!

...JK

 

[Wimperdink]

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I have nothing to back this up as the cobalt hasnt been around long but, they are basically cavaliers and if you look around... there are alot more old civics on the road than cavaliers. Its because with regular maintenance the civic will outperform and out last the american counterpart by leaps and bounds. I want my money to last longer and be worth more 4 years down the road. If the american cars could meet the same demands 5 years down the road as the imports, I'd drive american. Just so happens my car is american (built with toyota parts) So it fit my every need.

 

[JoeW]

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Mercedes now owns the Jeep. BMW now owns Rolls Royce. Two of the icons that won WWII are now owned by the very country against which they fought.<br />My wife's Subaru Outback was made in Indiana. My father-in-law's Cadillac was made in Mexico. Does buying an American brand name really mean more jobs for Americans?

 

[imported_rusty]

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i bought a new 2003 malibu its been in the shop about 5 times since i got it .second my brother bought the same car 2 years before me he had to sue gm under the lemon law its been in the shop 50 times!! his truck 99 chevy s10 needed a new transmission 2 years ago cost 2000 bucks so you tell me another american car? not in this family were going jap all the way . because if my american car keeps breaking down and i cant get to work them i am out of a job!! so i dont want to here because of me americans are going to lose their jobs.

 

[Pony]

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Dink I see where you are coming from.....My vision is slightly skewed in this matter.<br /><br />1. I have a Cavalier which is now 14 yrs old, original tranny...........in the last 4yrs I have put a water pump in it and that is it.<br /><br />2. I have a few friends and relatives who have them as well with no issues. Around here there are pobably equal numbers of civics to cavaliers.<br /><br /><br />I am not disagreeing with anyones reasons for not buying domestic cars, everyone has their own choice. If you want to buy one go ahead, I respect that desision. For me personaly I cant do it.....I live and grew up in Blue collar America, to me keeping those jobs in this country means a lot. Its just the way I was brought up.

 

[KaGee]

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Originally posted by Haut Medoc:<br /> And the morons will keep buying foreign made goods...."Cause it's cheaper"....That that "whoosh" you hear is the sound of jobs & money leaving the country.....JK

When I worked retail selling big ticket electronics and appliances, the biggest cheapskates were UAW Jeep employees. Not my opinion, actual experience. <br /><br />Over half of the products I sell today at distribution level originate in China.<br /><br />Let them bring it on... if the car is junk, it won't sell. I think domestic car companies and their workers should worry more about putting out a quality product than China importing cars.

 

[CalicoKid]

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Didn't that Chinese SUV score the lowest overall safety score ever in Europe? I remember reading that front occupants would be killed or maimed for life in any collosion over 35 mph. That one will never make it to the US. It is wrong to trade with a country that does not observe US and international patents. You just have to put that cheep Chinese stuff back on the shelf and keep looking.

 

[one more cast]

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"And the morons will keep buying foreign made goods...."Cause it's cheaper"....That that "whoosh" you hear is the sound of jobs & money leaving the country.....JK" <br /><br /> I believe the last 2 Fords I owned were made in Mexico. I also challenge you to find an RCA TV, GE toaster, Mr.Coffee coffee maker or any other "American" appliance that is made in the USA.

 

[SlowlySinking]

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When US car makers start offering cars with a 100,000k or 10 year warranty they might recapture lost market share. The somewhat standard US 3year/36k warranty speaks for itself and tells me what the manufacturer thinks about his products reliability. <br />I though it was odd that after GM announced 30,000+ layoffs the UAW cried foul, saying it was GM managements fault. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it the UAW organization that fought hard for the great wages, retirements, and after retirement bennies that are helping to bankrupt GM. So wait a minute, actually it was GM managements fault, they gave in at the bargaining table.

 

[QC]

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Originally posted by SlowlySinking:<br /> When US car makers start offering cars with a 100,000k or 10 year warranty they might recapture lost market share. The somewhat standard US 3year/36k warranty speaks for itself and tells me what the manufacturer thinks about his products reliability.

Common misconception. Warranty is a marketing tool, not an indicator of confidence in your own product. If you can sell enough cars with the 3yr/36 warranty then you are an idiot to go 100K. If you are trying to crack a market, you try things like the 100K thing. Again, it is not about confidence, it is about $. They know exactly how much the warranty will cost them, they know how many they want to sell and how many they can build.<br /><br />They also know how to build cars that will never break and need very little maintenance, but you can't afford for them to build them for you <br /><br />

Originally posted by CalicoKid:<br /> It is wrong to trade with a country that does not observe US and international patents.

Exactly, except that trade goes both ways (obviously) and Walmart for example gets something like 60% of their stuff from China. They need us, we need them. I listened to a very knowledgeable guy on this specific topic (I think it is a trade with China topic, but I might be mistaken) recently. He suggested that it is US retailers who need to demand that China use licensed stuff in their factories etc. I'm not sure how that would happen, but I suggest if you are mad at Walmart for anything it is that they buy from people who do not respect Intellectual Property, which is again, a huge problem.