Attention "Newbie" 50hp Owners (& others I'm sure)Cooling Info!!

emoney

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Ok, so I learn most things the hard way. A few of you may have been following my 'overheating/compression' thread(s) on my 1983 50hp outboard.
Well, as it turns out, the biggest problem I had was "self". Here's the scoop;

Doing what a lot of us do, I was using a rather large trash can filled with water to do driveway maintenance. I would fill the water almost to the top of the can, definitely covering the cavitation plate so I knew I was covering the water inlet screens. The motor was NOT pushing water. Bought another motor, had it moved to my boat today switching out my lower unit (I thought the other wa a dud)and went to pick it up. When I got there, mechanic was just finishing and hadn't had the time to test the motor. We proceeded to do just like I always do and put the motor in a large bucket/trash can of water. Sure enough, THIS motor was NOT pushing water. Both of us sighed, and then we felt the head, Yep it was definitely getting hot. Then, for some reason, he wanted to put even more water in it. We moved the can to on top of a cinder block, then filled it with water. At this point, water was going halfway up the middle section of the motor, not but a few inches below the exhaust. We restarted it......BAM, FLOODS of water pouring out! That's when we both realized that on these older Chrysler motors, the water pump is drawing it's water from literally half way up the mid section. When you're actually operating in the water, gravity is forcing the water up, when you on the hard, however, it isn't capable of it. Long story short, there's not been anything wrong with my water the whole time.

So, the same would apply to the 'muffs' according to his theory and it makes sense. I know there's a lot of you smarter/wiser guys who probably already knew this, but I hope this helps some of the newer to outboard maintenance/repair guys, like yours truly, and save them a lot of heartache.
On a positive note, he incidentally 'repaired' the other bad lower unit. Turns out corrosion had binded up the drive shaft. When he freed it from the other power head, corrosion broke loose and now I have a complete, spare, 50 hp motor. And, ftr, use a LOT, i mean LOTS of water to run your engine on the hard.
 

hoofbite

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Re: Attention "Newbie" 50hp Owners (& others I'm sure)Cooling Info!!

Hmmmmm interesting? I'm glad to here that's working for you however I can't say the same for my old chysler. I have a honey that requires navigating through some very shallow water and there for have the motor tilt/trim up very high border line to where the intake is 1-2 inches under water and mine spits out water with out issues. Of course if you don't usually run in these conditions or situations then your all good.

Once again that's great that you've solved the problem. BUT........
 

emoney

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Re: Attention "Newbie" 50hp Owners (& others I'm sure)Cooling Info!!

You might wanna re-read what I posted.
It's not the same "running in shallow" the draw of boat movement
supplies the 'gravity' needed. We're talking about driveway here.
Does yours spit out water when the water in the trash can is
that low?

Maybe mine is an anomaly? Then again, I've got an old tri-hull...and we've
mounted the engine on a block above the transom to
keep it 'high'. It's probably about the same as having
your trim pin in the top slot.
On the west coast of Florida, you can spend all day in 2-3' of water
so we know shallow!!

I've since talked to a friend who has a 70's model 55hp and his is
the same way. It won't draw enough water on the muffs to keep it
cool. Course, it could have to do with age??
 

hoofbite

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Re: Attention "Newbie" 50hp Owners (& others I'm sure)Cooling Info!!

I apologize not trying to push buttons. Simply saying mine is a 76 (a little newer) and it spits the same amount of water on the muffs or my shallow pail in the driveway as it does in the lake.

Maybe it's my motor that has the issues maybe it should push more water when out on the lake???
 

emoney

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Re: Attention "Newbie" 50hp Owners (& others I'm sure)Cooling Info!!

I know that once I got mine submerged, it pushed some real water. I had a little "mist" before, and sometimes in spurts, but you could feel the head getting hot. Once I moved the water about 3 inches over the 'plate' then I
got real water that was obvious and you didn't have to "look" to see, if that
makes sense.

What the guy told me, and it made sense, was that the inlets are designed
that even if the motor was off, yet make progress in a lake, the shape is
designed to "push" water into the intake. In a bucket, or on muffs, there's
no forward(reverse) movement to simulate that; hence the reason for the
difference. It was probably cooling the whole time, it was just hard to see
and definitely not cooling as it should've been.

Part of it, for me, is my years long experience with owning Johnson/Evinrude
and having that obvious, "pee stream" coming out the side. I've probably
gotten to the point of paranoia, but I need to see some serious water. That's
why I'm doing the "tell tale" install, and now Frank & Jerry have given me
advice on a very simple way to install it. All is well! (at least at the moment:D)
 

hoofbite

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Re: Attention "Newbie" 50hp Owners (& others I'm sure)Cooling Info!!

I can definitely relate there! I have an evinrude kicker and I agree that pee stream definitely provides peace of mind. Ohhh Chrysler. Sometimes I wonder. Lol.
 

Desertsky

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Re: Attention "Newbie" 50hp Owners (& others I'm sure)Cooling Info!!

On the muffs, you would have 50psi or more of water pressure available. There is no way that you would not get water up to the impeller unless the muffs were leaking all the water pressure out. I know that my hose is capable of putting out far more water than the engine is capable of using.

There must be some other problem if it doesn't work on the muffs.
 

emoney

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Re: Attention "Newbie" 50hp Owners (& others I'm sure)Cooling Info!!

I'm not sure it's about the pressure, as much as it is about the
'priming' of the water pump. Remember, your water pump and impeller
both, on a 50 at least, are both at the very top of the lower unit,
right where it attaches to the leg. When you think about the physics,
the guy made sense, and I literally watched it happen, so??
If you're syphoning from one container to another, you always want
the receiving end lower to get the flow going and I imagine it's applicable
here as well. It would be a coincidence, I suppose, that now 3 motors
were affected? Anything can happen, I guess.
 

Nordin

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Re: Attention "Newbie" 50hp Owners (& others I'm sure)Cooling Info!!

Remember that the waterimpellerpump on an outboard must be filled up with water before it can catch it. The impeller can catch water when the housing is above the waterlevel but not deliver the right amount. When it has catch water it can draugn water without having the impellerhousing under the waterlevel. The muffs can`t deliver the amount of water the impeller can pump.
I have worked with Mercs, Rudes, Chrysler, Force and all the japanees and they behave the same.
 
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