back to basic's starting over

delsol

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started a new post labeled it all wrong, boat still does not run right , found leak in coil wire , real bad fixed it with old wire same thing..i got appointment with a shop. but back to basics
1 compression test
2 can anyone give me more basic tests to preform?? checked timing ok.
 

DukesFin

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Re: back to basic's starting over

What am I missing? Does this post make any sense?

You have a problem but you have an appointment with a shop? Sounds like you are going to let them fix it?
 

delsol

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dukefin sorry i been posting about this boat a while, i paid a shop to install a rebuilt long block. they had it all winter, gave me back the boat all messed up and apart. i listened to don s and one by one i got things fix . trim pump wires etc..had bad gas cleaned and drained tank.. i am at the end of the rope..i got to sue them as its gotton out of hand ripped exhaust bellows . never replace them while i wanted to pay . lots of stuff i could go on all day with a list so i will post as many facts as i can

replaced new filters
cleaned tank
found bad coil wire sparking, replaced it
checked timing
the motor will idle but fair not good i can get it to idle at 800 or so with a little shake in boat. while in water it has zero power it goes 10 mph and the motor sounds like it missing. so at this point i have wasted a ton of money and time, i just hope he did not kill my motor. valves etc..it seems like its running under a load on 5 clys..was thinking to check timing today. and plugs, the cheap wires they installed had my coil losing spark thur the wire. i replaced it with a 5 y/o wire and the spark leak stopped. could all the wires be junk ???? i was going to do a compression test. to see if my cly's are good. i got 8k in parts labor and time too much in the boat i sent it to a bad dealer to install motor as i am getting older . my biggest regret was not buying that $5500 gm complete drop in and going on my way , but hindsite is 20-20.. i have good common car sense and tryed to save the wrench twisting because i am getting older. 3 years auto tech school 25 years ago..my idea was good i just got a bad dealer.
brings me back to shop with good compression i prey i have???? i called the local shop that i should have went to. he said check the compression first and he could get me in aug 6th. i am in a major jam. this is not my first boat i have had many. i have replaced pistons in my johnson 135h/p removed my 80 h/p merc powerhead.. i am pissed and stumped
bob/philly
 

ziggy

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Re: back to basic's starting over

i'm sure ya've seen dons' post on this before delsol. have ya gone thru the list? i'd be going thru it one by one and checkin em off as i find the answer out. it sure seems like as good a place to start as any. i agree. lets start from squre one again. something is being missed somewhere.....

if ya had one bad plug wire. i'd think the others would be in question too. ya can ohm em out or R&R em.....when i got my engine w/unknown anything. plugwires got R&Red so i know......

ya might hook up a vac. gage to it and see if that can lead ya anywhere too.

hope ya can get'er up and runnin soon........

List of possible causes of low WOT.

Engine Won't Reach Operating RPM. Check
  • Fuel condition. Type and Octane possibly old fuel
  • Propeller pitch or diameter, damaged blades
  • Restricted fuel pickup tube or anti siphon valve Fuel System Test
  • Crankcase oil volume, high oil level can cause aerated oil and lifter collapse
  • Marine growth on hull and outdrive
  • Wrong gear ratio in outdrive
  • Restricted carburetor air intake (clogged flame arrestor)
  • Restricted exhaust system (broken exhaust shutters/flappers) in engine transom shield or drive
  • Poor cylinder compression Compression Test
  • Carburetor defective, or wrong type.
  • Fuel pump pressure and vacuum
  • Boat overloaded, improperly loaded, or improperly trimmed.
  • Engine Overheating
  • Engine timing and ignition system operation (Full tuneup done recently)
  • Remote control cables and linkage for proper travel to open throttle plates fully.
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delsol

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thanks ziggy. i know for sure the gears are wrong 1.84 in a v-8 and wrong prop..even with a wrong prop a 260 h/p with 19' should do more then 3k rpm's in gear and go faster then 10 mph..the shop say put a 19p prop on it. hes a local guy nice fellow,, i got this raker prop on it ..but the motor still runs wrong. thank you for the list i am printing it out now.
bob/philly
 

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Check you timing and your mixture. Lean mixture can result in misfiring, and rough idling. Richen the mixture until you get a smooth idle.

Another thing you may want to do is a cylinder balance test, to check which cylinders are firing and which are not. At idle, use a pair of insulated pliers and gloves, pull of each wire one at a time from the plug. Listen for an rpm change, no change = dead cylinder, cylinder not firing. If the rpm drops = cylinder firing, good cylinder. When you pull the plug wire listen for the spark jumping to the plug. No spark, then there is your problem. If you found dead cylinder that is getting a spark, then I would do a compression test to determine what the compression is. Low compression may be due to misadjusted valves?? hopefully not internal engine problems.

If you have good compression and spark at all cylinders, but still misfiring in certain cylinders you can also check for vacuum leaks. Then chances are the misfire is fuel related. Spray WD40 or even carb cleaner around the intake gaskets of the dead cylinders and around the carb and listen for rpm changes. Change in rpm means vacuum leak. A vacuum leak will cause a lean condition which will result in a misfire. I have done this numerous times on cars, make sure you do it in a well ventilated area, and make sure all the fumes are gone before you put the doghouse on, or it can be dangerous.

Good luck, and have a great day,

Rob.
 

delsol

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imported_Robj thanks i printed out the sheet and i wanted to remove the wires yesterday but had no wire puller too. late today i will. i will be armed with compression gauge today..insulated plyers to try to rule out some things . will a i think its called chopper prop i got for free to use temp. make the baot go 10 mph and run like crap.i dont think its got a thing to to with running????i been wrong alot but this motor has issues...valves to tight. maybe i was thinking that yesterday as this mechanic and shop is bad.
thanks bob
 

Coors

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Valves too tight?
Start engine, loosen each valve, one at a time.
When it starts clicking,slowly tighten.
Once clicking has stopped, turn it 1/4 turn at a time(engine will shudder, as lifter is holding valve open) then engine will stop missing, as lifter bleeds down.
Then turn down another 1/4, let it settle down.
then the final 1/4 turn, for a total of 3/4 turns down.
 

delsol

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coors i am reading this after i just got back no compression in 4th and 6th cly. valves too tight intake not a puff of air took off risers and i think water got in cly. forgot to drain them hot out side in sun pissed a little after this 6 month ordeal. my buddy's compression gauge was bad but i for sure got compression in all cly's now...with these 2 being dead would it still cause the boat to got 10 mph and run like crap???? now i cranked the motor with all plugs out and i dont know about the water in the cly's . started it for 5 seconds and shut it down need gaskets for rizors now...how can i get water out of the cly's and coors do i need to do a valve adjustment running and how...feel like i made some progress tonight , this shop really did me terible.
bob
 

delsol

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coors what the trick to run without the manifolds??? on
 
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