Bad coil?

dremmick

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My 91 gm 350 260hp has been acting up. The engine has new spark plugs, distributor, and wires. The moths motor runs awesome when cold. But after a half hour it runs sluggish and eventually dies. Also when I go to restart i can barely get it to run. If I put a jumper from the positive of the battery to positive to the coil it runs perfect again. The boat has pertronix ignition. Could this be a bad coil?
 

stonyloam

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Re: Bad coil?

The Pertronix ignition module (red wire to the coil +?) needs a full 12V all the time to operate properly. Jumpering it to the battery gives it that full 12V. It sounds like for some reason your voltage to the coil is dropping as it gets hot, maybe a corroded connection.
 

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Re: Bad coil?

Red wire from pertronix is going to coil. Wire is ran from positive side of coil to ignition switch. So you don't think it's a coil? Which connection should I check?
 

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Like stonyloam stated. The pertronix needs a full 12v. The wire that runs to the coil is a resistive wire and will drop the voltage. You need to run a wire from a full 12v source to the pertronix unit. Don't hook the coil to the same 12v unless it is an internally ballisted coil.
 

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I am not too familiar with your engine so I can only speculate a little. First try this turn on the key and measure the voltage at the coil +. Measure the battery voltage. If you measure less at the coil than the battery, your module is not getting the required voltage. Do you have the Petronix flamethrower coil? If you do, it can run on a full 12V and you can bypass your resistance wire if you have one.
 

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Re: Bad coil?

im fighting a simular issue ive been fighting it for about a month now. i upgraded to the pertronix systen too, talking to there tech line they say test the positive side of the coil for 11-12 volts when you have the negitive side grounded. best ive come up with is 9.2. if you figure this out please post your findings. im going to try the jumper from the battery on my next trip out.
 

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im fighting a simular issue ive been fighting it for about a month now. i upgraded to the pertronix systen too, talking to there tech line they say test the positive side of the coil for 11-12 volts when you have the negitive side grounded. best ive come up with is 9.2. if you figure this out please post your findings. im going to try the jumper from the battery on my next trip out.
That is because you are running the resistive wire that is stock. It may look like normal wire but it is not. You need to feed the module a full 12v. The instructions that come with the unit explain it and show pictures.
 

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Re: Bad coil?

That is because you are running the resistive wire that is stock. It may look like normal wire but it is not. You need to feed the module a full 12v. The instructions that come with the unit explain it and show pictures.

thats what the petronix tech said to i actually ran a stand alone wire straight from my ignition to the coil and still got a best of 9.97 volts. battery voltage was 12.56. i have over 12 volts at the coil when the negitive side is not grounded. sorry to highjack your thread.
 

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Re: Bad coil?

I'm in the same situation I have a wire running from coil to keyed on 12v supply on ignition switch. I just ordered a 12v coil
 

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Have either of you tried running a wire straight from the positive battery terminal to the coil, for testing purposes?
This is to see if you have too much resistance on your wiring between the battery and ignition switch, and wire to the coil.

Chris
 

dremmick

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Yes I have. When boat starts to run crappy I run a wire from battery to coil and it runs perfect. Which wire would be building resistance?
 

Stamey

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Re: Bad coil?

Well now you know that there is a resistance issue, and it seems like there's too much in the circuit from your battery through your ignition switch back to the coil. You can continue two ways. The first is to check point from the battery through the ignition switch for voltage drop. This is the more telling way, as you'll see the drop in voltage and not have to concern yourself with whether X is OK or too much resistance.
The other way is to use an ohmmeter to check resistance between points in the same circuit. Either way will require tracing wires. You can go either direction, from the coil back to the battery, or from the battery back to the coil. I'd go backwards from the coil. Your high resistance could be in a wire or a connection, or even the ignition switch itself. Corrosion is the main thing to look for, although there is no guarantee that is the culprit. Take a methodical approach to it and if you skip something, make sure you don't forget to come back and look at it if you don't find the problem elsewhere.

Me, I'd check the voltage coming off of the ignition switch, going to the coil, first, then split out each section to the smallest you can without piercing wires. Once you have checked that and not found it, you may have to pierce wires. If you do, have something like Liquid Electrical tape on hand to cover the piercing after you check it, because this is a great place for corrosion to start if you leave it open. You may find, as you trace wires, that there is a broken place in the wiring where corrosion has already set in. That is a prime suspect.

Resistance in wires is almost nothing for the length of runs you are dealing with. You can find specs in this on the Internet.

Chris
 

CV16

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Re: Bad coil?

Seems like the same problem I'm having on my dads boat. Glad I found this post.
 

dremmick

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Boat runs awesome now all I did was bought a flamethrower coil and boar runs like a dream
 

dremmick85

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well boat ran good for one weekend then labor day weekend started running like crap again. After going for slow 45 min booze cruise boat would stumble when trying to accelerate. Boat could not accelrate seemed like there was no spark. Coil was hot could not hold it for more than 4 seconds. Next day it ran fine for about 45 min, then while i was cruzing at 25 motor all of sudden sputtered and died and would not restart. Should a coil get that hot? Does anyone recommned putting on an HEI Distributor?
 

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Re: Bad coil?

I ended up finding that I wasn't getting enough volts the the pertronix unit I have. My coil was also getting pretty hot. I just ran new wires to the ignition switch and seemed to have solved my problem.
 
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