bad idel

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hi all,i have a 1985 evenrude 60hp,engine had been runing fine,then went to start it on sunday,it started then after a few secounds it started to misfire,then i notiched when it was misfireing the flywheel would spin in the oppest direction and stop pumping water, can anyone help with this one, :'(
 

i386

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Re: bad idel

Not sure what you mean about the flywheel spinning in the opposite direction. Are you sure the flywheel key hasn't been sheared?
 
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i386 said:
Not sure what you mean about the flywheel spinning in the opposite direction. Are you sure the flywheel key hasn't been sheared?

hi, i have takein the flywheel nut off and the key is in the grove,if i am looking at the engine so the carbs are in front of me,the ungine is turning clockwise then when it misfires the engine runs anticlockwise and the revs picks up and there is no water pumping thanx leigh
 

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Sorry. I can't imagine what could make your engie run backward. Just the normal compression can make it go back a half turn or so when it stops, but not run that way.

Your flywheel key may be ok, but when one shears it's possible that half of it in the groove in the flywheel and the other half in the groove (key way) in the crankshaft. The only real way to tell is to pull the flywheel.

Keep checking your post for other responses. The veterans around here have a way of explaining things that seem impossible.
 

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It sounds as if the motor is running in the opposite direction of normal which is certainly possible and would account for no water being pumped. The water pump would be directing flow out of the gearcase rather than up toward the powerhead. What causes this to happen is another question. If the motor runs in the correct direction some of the time, and in the wrong direction other times, I might suspect that your starter is having a problem and is sometimes spinning the motor in the wrong direction. Or is it always running in the wrong direction? In that case maybe you have the battery cables reversed which causes the starter to always turn in the wrong direction.
 
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lorin said:
It sounds as if the motor is running in the opposite direction of normal which is certainly possible and would account for no water being pumped. The water pump would be directing flow out of the gearcase rather than up toward the powerhead. What causes this to happen is another question. If the motor runs in the correct direction some of the time, and in the wrong direction other times, I might suspect that your starter is having a problem and is sometimes spinning the motor in the wrong direction. Or is it always running in the wrong direction? In that case maybe you have the battery cables reversed which causes the starter to always turn in the wrong direction.

hi.the engine only goes the wroung way after it misfires,could this be the coils or cd unit? thanx leigh
 

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1/ make sure all the plug wires and in the right position. 2/ can't be starter. as bendex is spring loaded to turn only on way. 3/ my bet is on the flywheel woodruff key .
 

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OK regarding the starter but how would a bad flywheel woodruff key make the flywheel turn in the wrong direction? At the worst, wouldn't the flywheel just sit there and not move at all if the key was completely sheared?
 

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I can't believe that your flywheel key is not sheered, firstly there is no way that key could take the shock loading of a moving flywheel stopping dead and rotating back in the other direction, secondly in order for you engine to rotate backwards it must fire a cylinder a long way before top dead center, this would happen if the key was sheered and the flywheel was not timed to the crankshaft.
The flywheel will not sit still if the key is sheered, it is held by the taper on the crank the key is only there to ensure it is timed correctly.
If you find the key has sheered you will need to clean the taper before refitting the flywheel, you can do this with a little valve lapping paste on the taper and working the flywheel around. Make sure no paste gets down into the seal and bearring.
When you refit the flywheel be sure to torque it down to the correct value or you will be doing the job again.
 

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If the flywheel nut is under-torqued, or if someone misguidedly applies lube to the crank taper, the shear key can in fact be sharing the job of holding the flywheel to the crank. This will usually result in a sheared key. I've seen a couple of motors where the key was sheared and you could easily turn the flywheel without the crank turning at all.
Anyways, here's another possibility that doesn't involve a sheared key. Maybe the inner ring of magnets on the flywheel, the magnets that control the timing and firing of the spark plugs, has loosened up and shifted out of position. They can actually shift back and forth so that at times, when they're in the normal position, the motor runs fine, but when they shift out of the position the timing is all messed up. To test, remove the flywheel, grab the inner ring of magnets, and firmly twist back and forth. Any movement and you have problems. I don't believe there's any way to "re-glue" them as can be done with the outer ring of magnets.
 
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hi all.thank you for your replys,due to work i can not do anything untill sunday,i will check all the items that you all have said.please keep them comeing in and i will let you all no on sunday if i have had any luck with it.tank you all again leigh
 
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hi all,i got the engine running fine,it was one of the sensor under the flywheel,thank you all again.leighd:)
 
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