Battery amps

unslaught

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Hi fellow chrysler fan's

i have an easy question .. im using a 40A 12V battery .. now it seems to be dying ( the starter dies after once trying to start ).. the seloc manual reffers not to use a battery below 70A .. anyone have some suggestions ?

my outboard is an 45HP 3 stator ignition .. :D
 

jerryjerry05

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Re: Battery amps

Most starting batteries are 450 cca.You using a lawnmower battery?
You need more umph to start a motor.J
 

Frank Acampora

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Re: Battery amps

Might as well try to use a bunch of flashlight batteries. Eight of them in series will give 12 volts too. That 40 amp-er just has no reserve power.

Break down and spend the 50 bucks for a good marine starting battery at Wal-Mart. OR--If you are truly cheap like me, go to the junkyard and buy a used auto battery for 15 bucks.
 

john from md

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Re: Battery amps

Go to Sam's club and buy a Marine Maxx group 24 battery and recycle that thing you have been using. Lucky you haven't been stuck somewhere.

John
 

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Re: Battery amps

Might as well try to use a bunch of flashlight batteries. Eight of them in series will give 12 volts too. That 40 amp-er just has no reserve power.

Break down and spend the 50 bucks for a good marine starting battery at Wal-Mart. OR--If you are truly cheap like me, go to the junkyard and buy a used auto battery for 15 bucks.


:eek:

bittered ? im justs asking for amps not where to buy it ;) in addition to my question ill simplify .. is a 120 AMPS good enough ?

:cool:
 

Frank Acampora

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Re: Battery amps

The "bittered" threw me until I looked back and saw you are from Netherlands. So: is it the same as Bitte in German?

120 amp battery will have approximately three times the cranking time as the 40 amp battery. That will probably get you started if you have no problems, but flood the engine or if it gets fussy, you will still run out of power. If the weight is no problem for your boat I still say buy a battery with higher rating like 450-500 amps.

However, not knowing European custom, are batteries this size available there? This would be a typical average sized battery for a US auto.
 

unslaught

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Re: Battery amps

The "bittered" threw me until I looked back and saw you are from Netherlands. So: is it the same as Bitte in German?

120 amp battery will have approximately three times the cranking time as the 40 amp battery. That will probably get you started if you have no problems, but flood the engine or if it gets fussy, you will still run out of power. If the weight is no problem for your boat I still say buy a battery with higher rating like 450-500 amps.

However, not knowing European custom, are batteries this size available there? This would be a typical average sized battery for a US auto.

Oki ;) thnx Frank , Bitte means Please ..
to explain a bit more ,

the engine had never run ( since i bought it for 50 dollars 6 years ago in parts) i purchased a seloc manual and fixed the engine from scratch so im now getting there where my "toys r uz" battery died .. the seloc manual didn't explain the Amps nor battery capacity to try to crank up the engine .. hence my post ;)

so a 12V 120Amp battery will spin up the starter correctly ? im not using the charger ciruit atm .. im just trying to get the machine to start .. and with the 40 amps it doesnt even get the flywheel around fast enough ... it does get sufficient spark
 

Frank Acampora

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Re: Battery amps

Simply speaking, total power elecrically is amperage times voltage. However since all newer starting batteries are 12 volts, the amp rating alone tells you approximate power the battery can deliver.

Again, simply: With batteries, the amp rating they claim is not the delivered amps at cranking, it is the total power the battery can hold as amp-hours. (A 40 amp battery supposedly can deliver 1 amp for 40 hours or 40 amps for one hour. ---but not really. Other factors influence power delivery.) NOW: with small plates (small battery) the area of the plates is not great enough to deliver the momentary AMPERAGE necessary to crank the engine. The small area of the plates just won't sustain a high discharge rate. So even though there is enough power in the battery, it is not available in the form the starter needs. By high discharge rate, your 45 starter motor is probably drawing somewhere around 80 amps at cranking.

Auto batteries have (here in the US) two ratings: One for the cranking capacity and another for the reserve capacity. I don't know how the 120 amp battery is rated.

I thought that you were saying that the 40 amp battery was turning the engine over but only once or twice, then dying. But upon reading your last reply, I see you are saying that the 40 amp battery will not crank over the engine sufficiently.

SO; The 120 amp battery may be enough for starting the engine, but then again, it may not be.

Given that most Seloc users are a bit confused by that manual, it has a rather poor reputation on this forum. SO: I would see if I could find another reference manual and see what that one claims you need for a starting battery. I personally have never used a battery as small as 120 amp rating so I can not in good conscience tell you it will absolutely work. Even on my 20 horsepower engine with a small starter, I use a car sized battery.

If you can't find better information, Google The Chrysler Crew and ask on that question forum. If anyone will know for sure, it will be Franz.
 
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