Battery charger question

Bustedknuckle84

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Im looking for a battery charger while i am out in the water. I was looking at these dual bank chargers but seems like those are only for when you have a power outlet to charge them up.
What battery charger will charge batteries out on the water via solar or battery backup?
I was looking at the guest dual bank 10 amp charger, is that what i am looking for?
 

shrew

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Re: Battery charger question

I don't know of a way to get one battery to charge another battery. That would seem to be pointless. If you have another charged battery, putting that battery on a battery switch would make far more sense. When one battery is depleted, you flip the switch and begin drawing from the other battery. There is little point to try and transfer charge from one battery to the other, when you can simply change which battery is being drawn from instead.

There are kits for installing solar power which also handle battery recharging. It is prety slow and trickle charges the battery. It will take a lot of sun and a long time to recharge most batteries. They are fine for trickle charging a battery and fine for maintaining charge to run bilge pumps at the dock, however you will need a sizable solar array to replenish a drawn donw battery in a few hours.

How much amperage draw do you have over what time period? What are you trying to run and how long to recharge?
 

Faztbullet

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The simplest way to charge a single extra battery is with a battery isolator. It will charge the extra battery every time engine is started. The only drawback is your motors charging output and would have to run at least 1/2 -2/3 throttle to get a good charge back into system...
 

bruceb58

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Im looking for a battery charger while i am out in the water.
Its called your boats alternator. It charges your battery when you are running your boat. If you want to charge both of your batteries, get a VSR or use a 1/2/both switch set to both. I use the VSR.

When your boat is on the trailer or sitting at the dock where you have AC, then the Guest charger is what you want to have as well. I have all of the products mentioned above on my boat.

As far as solar goes, you would need a panel half the size of your boat to charge your battery in a reasonable time.
 

scipper77

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Re: Battery charger question

A disagree about the solar chargers being too slow. A loooong slooow charge is actually the best way to charge a battery. If you are only using the boat occasionally then this may be an ideal option. Just my opinion however so take it for what it's worth!
 

Bustedknuckle84

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Re: Battery charger question

thanks for the replies guys, i forgot to mention i do have a switch between the 2 batteries, and my goal is to run the radio, gps mainly with engine off. Yeah i see what you guys are saying about solar good info bad idea lol! Seems like radio runs the volts down pretty quick when i monitor it on my gps fishfinder.
what would be a good option to have 1 battery recharging while motor off to run radio etc?
 

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A disagree about the solar chargers being too slow. A loooong slooow charge is actually the best way to charge a battery.
I disagree. You want to charge you batteries up right away after they are discharged. Leaving your battery discharged and then relying on a long slow discharge is a recipe for sulfation of your battery.

Lets say you bought a 100 Watt solar panel. It s going to put out 6 amps...maybe...if its is oreiented perfectly. This solar panel is going to cost you around $500 plus the cost of a controller. The size of the panel is going to be 10 square feet.

A 50W will run you around 60% of the 100W and put out half the power and be half as large.

The little 15W ones that you see around can really only be used as maintainers when your battery is already charged.
 

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Re: Battery charger question

A disagree about the solar chargers being too slow. A loooong slooow charge is actually the best way to charge a battery. If you are only using the boat occasionally then this may be an ideal option. Just my opinion however so take it for what it's worth!



he wanted a charger for while he is on the water. Solar is a HORRIBLE idea for that type of use, and as someone else mentioned, the panel will cost you $1000+ and will be half the size of your boat, or more.

As far as storage charging, make sure you still size the panel appropriately with a charge controller.
 

bruceb58

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Re: Battery charger question

thanks for the replies guys, i forgot to mention i do have a switch between the 2 batteries, and my goal is to run the radio, gps mainly with engine off. Yeah i see what you guys are saying about solar good info bad idea lol! Seems like radio runs the volts down pretty quick when i monitor it on my gps fishfinder.
what would be a good option to have 1 battery recharging while motor off to run radio etc?
A fully charged battery is 12.6V and 50% is around 12.0 and is far as you want to discharge a deep discharge battery. When you stop your boat and see the voltag drop fast is usually just the surface charge coming off and going down to 12.6.

You can't recharge you battery with the engine off if you are out on the water.
 

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I would use a dedicated deep cycle just for the stereo and fish finder with the battery switch set to just that battery while at anchor.
Then when you fire the boat up switch to both batteries to charge them.

A good deep cycle should power a stereo for a long time unless you have a big amp pushing it.
 

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Perhaps I'm a little to critical but I simply find it hard to understand why a battery switch is such a hard concept to get a grip on? You have only one SOURCE of power on a boat -- that being the engine alternator. If you have two engines you have two alternators but most of us have a single engine so that's where I will concentrate this discussion. The battery SUPPLIES power to the electrical system on the boat and it RECEIVES power (charged) be the engine alternator. Since you have two batteries and a battery swtich with BAT 1, BAT 2, BOTH and OFF positions these labels should be very definitive but apparently they are not so here goes again!!! Think of the switch as a "battery remover". When set to BAT 1 for example, BAT 2 for all practical purposes does not exist. When set to BAT 2, BAT 1 doesn't exist. When set to BOTH, both batteries appear as one giant battery. With the switch in the OFF position the electrical system for the engire boat is dead. No drain on either battery except for the bilge pump which should be directly wired to one of the batteries.

In the BAT 1 position ONLY battery one is running EVERYTHING on the boat leaving BAT 2 to go along for the ride. BAT 1 is the ONLY battery being CHARGED at this time.

When set to the BAT 2 position, the exact same scenario applies as BAT 1 except it applies to battery #2 and at this time battery #1 is going along for the ride.

Guess what happens when BOTH is selected? If you guessed anything other than BOTH batteries are powering EVERYTHING on the boat and BOTH are used to start the engine, then you need to have your wife or kids operate the switch. This switch setting places both batteries in parallel so to the electrical system the two batteries appear as one giant battery.

The wiring to a switch SHOULD have every accessory wired to the COM terminal on the switch as this is the SUPPLY route for power to those accessories. Nothing should be wired directly to the battery(ies) except for an automatic bilge pump or possibly an alarm system or some other device that needs to stay powered with the switch set to OFF.

Unless someone has done some creative wiring on the boat, the switch would be used as follows: If the switch is OFF and you are going to head out for a trip, set the switch to BAT 1 (typically designed the START battery) or BOTH. Start the engine and go boating. While under way BOTH BATTERIES will be charged or if you had left the switch on BAT 1, it would be charging. When you anchor for just a few minutes you don't have to panic about resetting the switch. If you do however, anchor for a longer period and will be using a high power radio, trolling motor or some other devices, switch to BAT 2 which is typically the house or accessory battery. This disconnects BAT 1 which prevents it from being discharged. When you are ready to go again, switch back to BOTH (or BAT 1) and head out. I recommend using the BOTH position since you would have run down BAT 2 so why not charge it again. To apply full alternator power to that battery, set the switch to BAT 2. So you see, the switch is like a water valve. It directs the flow of electricity in the boats electical system. If accessories have been directly wired to the house or starting battery, it makes no sense to have the switch in the first place since that defeats the versatility of the switch. Should BAT 1 take a dump (batteries do die you know), you can simply switch to BAT 2 and be on your way.

As for charging under way, the only viable solution is a properly wired switch or VSR/ACR. Solar panels are not an option. If AC power is available at the dock, then an on-board dual bank charger is the answer.

As for charging rates, trickle charging a battery is definitely NOT the best way to charge. It is the best way to "maintain" a fully charged battery. Batteries can and should be charged at higher rates, up to 20% of the rated AHr capacity of the battery. 100 AHr battery can be charged safely at 20 amps.
 

Bustedknuckle84

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Re: Battery charger question

yes gary that looks like what i will be doing then good advice!!! you guys are so quick on this forum! Helps us newbies out alot!
 

Skiwi

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Re: Battery charger question

Silvertip: That is the best and most concise description I have seen posted :)

Moderators, please consider this for a sticky
 

scipper77

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he wanted a charger for while he is on the water. Solar is a HORRIBLE idea for that type of use, and as someone else mentioned, the panel will cost you $1000+ and will be half the size of your boat, or more.

As far as storage charging, make sure you still size the panel appropriately with a charge controller.

I apologize if I misunderstood the situation. I was under the impression that we were talking about a boat that was kept at a dock with no shore power. My comment was based on trying to keep a battery fully charged between uses for a docked boat where you have all the time in the world to charge.
 
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