Bay county sherriff video

[rodbolt]

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http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060216/NEWS/602160397/0/FRONTPAGE <br /> also google bay county sheriff boot camp death.<br /> lots of information. seems this death happened a long timeago, way back in early jan of 06.<br /> http://keyetv.com/topstories/topstories_story_048152552.html <br /><br /> http://www.ocala.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060216/NEWS/202160381/1002/news <br /><br /> I guess its was a matter of national security that the cops tried to keep the video away from the public.<br /> http://news.tbo.com/news/metro/MGBN7T3WSJE.html

 

[JasonJ]

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I guess my question is are those "guards" actually certified law enforcement or just people wearing uniforms. There is a big difference, and just because the program is run by the sheriffs department doesn't mean those guards have the same level of use-of-force training as law enforcement personel does. There are a lot of ways to achieve compliance without beating the living shyte out of someone, and none of that was used from what I could see. I have always thought the boot camp idea was good, but a lot of them are staffed by people who have little experience rehabilitating youths or are just plain sadistic. Whats that I smell? A lawsuit maybe?....

 

[bubbakat]

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Jason said<br />

I guess my question is are those "guards" actually certified law enforcement or just people wearing uniforms. There is a big difference, and just because the program is run by the sheriffs department doesn't mean those guards have the same level of use-of-force training as law enforcement personnel does

That is where you are wrong. Each officer that works in corrections has been schooled in a class that last up to 6 to 8 weeks.<br />The certification is followed up with in service at the rate of 45 hrs a year.<br />They are schooled in the laws for housing inmates and the civil laws plus many other things that LEO academy does not cover.<br /><br />It is just like road officers some do not follow the logic that they are trained to do.<br />Like you I smell a law suit here.<br />For that matter you can sue a ham sandwich for not tasting good.

 

[rodbolt]

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bubbakat<br /> have you seen any of the video? I have seen about ten minutes of it and its disgusting at best, the whole thing is almost 90 minutes.<br />the knees to the groin area and the beating while he was pinned to a tree part and the punch that lifted the boy off his feet while two other officers held him may have been a tad excessive.<br /> by the convoluted logic being used by the ME and the shriffs I could beat someone unconciuos and toss them in the creek and not be responsible for the death as they were not beaten to death they drowned.<br /> I smell not only lawsuit but possible prison time if this video is accurate.<br /> the disgusting part is the hand wiping and dusting off as the kid lay unconcious.

 

[tommays]

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I watched the tape and cant reach any Conclusion based on what is shown in the 2 min verison<br /><br /> http://news.tbo.com/news/metro/MGBN7T3WSJE.html <br /><br />I would like to know what the nurse who was present during the altercation has to say .<br /><br /> <br />tommays

 

[SwampNut]

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There's a teen in prison on manslaughter or murder (can't remember which) because a cop died when he lost control of his car during a pursuit. The logic being that the teen running "led to" the death, even though it certainly wasn't his fault.<br /><br />Here however, the cops' beating didn't "lead to" the death, is that the gist of it?

 

[rodbolt]

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I know a video by itself can be misleading, I would like to see the entire 80 minute version.<br /> I dont know what the nurse was doing nor her qualifications,Ln,LPN or RN nor what her training as an EMT is. but she did walk in and out a few times and it does not look like she did anything to restrain the officers nor do I know she should have.<br /> I wish this would get half the attention the VP is getting.<br />while I know a lot of cops and respect most of them the bad ones need weeding and if crimminal prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.<br /> as a law enforcement or corrections official they need to be held to the highest of standards. if they fail they need weeding, if the failure is a crimminal act they need lengthy stays in their facilities.<br />otherwise it creates more hate,discontent and mistrust of the tousands of dedicated law officers that are upstanding citizens.

 

[bubbakat]

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Rod I agree with you on the out of control beating here. If the whole tape is reviewed by the powers to be and I don't mean by the locals either. The tape at hand will be questioned by federals.<br /><br />There will be a long and drawn intensive investigation on it. These officers irregardless of the reason will be prosecuted for their crimes. If just a 1/3 of what is shown in the tape proves to be true then there will be prosecution on the federal level.<br /><br />I can assure this will not go unnoticed.<br /><br />We at present have 4 cases where we had different situations occurred in 2 different counties but they violated the code set forth on corrections officers and Leo's alike<br /><br />Out of the four 1 was exonerated and 3 were given hefty prison sentences.<br />One action resulted in the death of a drunk and the other was just a good butt whooping.<br /><br />As this thread unfolds with many speculations and unanswered questions the investigation is in process.<br />There will be lives forever changed over this incident.<br /><br />I have been the subject of and have witness the first hand wrath of a federal investigation so I know how it feels.<br />It leaves a scar on your life that ajax won't take off.

 

[bubbakat]

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would like to know what the nurse who was present during the altercation has to say .<br /><br />

The nurse cannot interfere with the duties of a correction officer.<br />What has me bum fuzzeled here is that all the officers are dressed in what appears to be riot gear.<br />Some one correct me if I am wrong here .<br />And I have been before.

 

[JasonJ]

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Bubba, I know what corrections officers are trained on. What I was asking was if these guards are part of the system or just people in spiffy uniforms. There are a lot of these boot camps around where the staff have little training in anything. If these guys are trained and part of the system then that makes it even worse. It would be nice to see the entire video, although nothing that kid could have done would justify that level of force.

 

[rodbolt]

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jasonJ<br /> I agree, I would love to waste an hour or so just to satify me.<br />would be worth it to me to see what that 14 yr old did to bring that kind of force to bear on him.<br /><br /> I really really hope the part of the clip we have seen so far is misleading and the officials were actually justified. <br /> I just hope the investigation is fair and unbiased by public opinion.

 

[JB]

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"Technically" is your word, not mine, Scotty.<br /><br />What I said was that the only person qualified to assign cause of death said SCA.<br /><br />I know of no bodily injuries reported by the Coroner. Did he list any? Did he list any contributing factors? He is there, with the evidence in his hands and he is trained to interpret that evidence.<br /><br />People get beat up by gangs daily. Sometimes they have injuries, sometimes only contusions, sometimes only bruised feelings. Sometimes they die from injuries, but it is no sure thing. If they die, the evidence is there that the beating did or did not cause or contribute to the death.<br /><br />The people who wanted the tape kept away from the public must have done so because it showed them using what appears to be excessive force to subdue a combative prisoner, and shows nothing of the circumstances or provocation of the incident.<br /><br />Were I they I would have done the same. Nobody wants evidence for the persecution.. . oh, excuse me, prosecution. . .presented without rules of evidence and opportunity for defense available.<br /><br />A classic case of conviction by media circus.<br /><br />What really happened. . .all of it. . .will be presented in court and my bet is that the media will ignore it.

 

[CJY]

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The VP already holds himself accountable for the consequences of his error. Conservatives do that.<br />

Wow, that is some sort of law. Let me get this straight though. A Republican(edit to say conservative) could rob a bank, not get caught and live happily ever after. Or, on the other hand, get caught, punish himself, and all is forgiven.<br /><br />Things are becoming very clear now.

 

[JB]

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Your analogy is waaaaay off the chart, CJY.<br /><br />I didn't say Republican, I said Conservative.<br /><br />An accident is not comparable to a first degree felony.<br /><br />Your desperation to demonize a man who made an error and accepts responsibility for it is all too evident.

 

[FLATHEAD]

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Originally posted by JB:<br /> "<br /><br /><br />The people who wanted the tape kept away from the public must have done so because it showed them using what appears to be excessive force to subdue a combative prisoner, and shows nothing of the circumstances or provocation of the incident.<br /><br />Were I they I would have done the same. Nobody wants evidence for the persecution.. . oh, excuse me, prosecution. . .presented without rules of evidence and opportunity for defense available.<br /><br />A classic case of conviction by media circus.<br /><br />. [/QUOT----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br /><br />Combative prisoner?? Come on!! This is a 14 year old kid for gods sake,, most likely having a hissy fit. I dont care what he did leading up to the beating. He did not deserve to be beaten like a dog by a GANG of grown men. If one guard cant handle a small 14 year old boy they need to look for another line of work!<br /><br />Opportunity for defense?? How can you defend this kind of thing?? It is just plain wrong, I dont care how you look at it. Come on JB look at the video,, the kid never had a chance! <br /><br />How can you buy into the theory of OH it is just a kooky chain of circumstances that led to the boys death. It just looked like we were beating him, but really we weren't,, honest. He just so happened to die afterward by a disease. <br /><br />I say prosecute the whole lot of em including the nurse, that just happened to be standing by.

 

[waterone1@aol.com]

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So far, all I have been able to find is the jittery 2 minute clip that doesn't show anything or the edited few frames from the news broadcast.<br />I can't make a determination from either. I did not see six or seven men beating this kid, at most it looked like two or three men having any kind of contact with him. What I can say is that this needs to be looked into thoroughly, and that would mean a grand jury or independant prosecutor. I agree with governor Bush, this cannot be judged by hysterics or gut reaction, it needs to be investigated. Regardless of media hype, I cannot defend or condem the officers from what I saw. By the way, the outdated photo the family is using of their son, looks nothing like the "mug shot" of the "boy" that shows him at 6 foot tall with beard and mustache.

 

[CJY]

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Your desperation to demonize a man who made an error and accepts responsibility for it is all too evident.<br />

I'm not desperate to demonize anybody. I have nothing against Cheney. He's a VP that got caught up with a poor Prez. He should have found a way to bail with the rest after the first term. Ooops, I forgot, he may have then had the cookie jar slammed shut on his fingers. My point was not necessarily about Cheney. Rather, it is was how the law works for conservtives vs. libs., and how conservatives interpret this "self accountability."<br /><br />How exactly is he holding himself accountable...10 minute timeout without gun play?

 

[KRS]

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It's a repeat of JB's thought, but here goes:<br /><br />We don't fully know what happened.<br /><br />We can watch the portion of the video released to the public and guess from there.<br /><br />When force is provocated by a suspect, then only the force needed is used to subdue the suspect and take them into custody.<br /><br />The young man died of sickle cell anemia.<br /><br />Maybe these deputies will see the courtroom for a trial... or have they been tried already?