Being prepared for the unexpected?

Don S

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Re: Being prepared for the unexpected?

Yea, I'm going to move it, has nothing to do with IO or inboard repair. But I will stick it where the pilot should be, over in Stupid Human tricks forum.
 

ne7800

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Re: Being prepared for the unexpected?

wow those people were extremly lucky to make it
 

Docknocker

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Re: Being prepared for the unexpected?

This plane video could actually qualify for Stupid Human Tricks While Boating/Fishing...right??

Unreal - the thing actually came close to getting itself out of the drink
 

jay_merrill

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Re: Being prepared for the unexpected?

That accident happened at Bader Field, in Atlantic City, NJ. The airport is now closed and had been a "political football" for some time.

This accident was entirely due to pilot error. Provided below, is a link to the summary portion of the NTSB accident report. As the text indicates, the pilot did about everything possible the wrong way, including landing on the wrong runway.

One of the things that this summary doesn't state is that this pilot was in way over his head with this airplane. Certain models of the Cessna Citation are very docile airplanes, and are certificated for single pilot operation. The model involved is also relatively inexpensive, as far as jet aircraft are concerned. Because of this, they are often bought by very wealthy individuals as personal aircraft, even if registered to a company as OY-JET was. You will notice that the report states that the person flying OY-JET (registration #) was a Private Pilot - in most cases, jet aircraft are flown by someone with an Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) certificate. In order to qualify for an ATP, you have to have a minimum of 1,500 hours of flight time. You also must have previously held a Commercial Pilot certificate, with an Instrument Rating.

Another aspect of this accident in my opinion, is that this pilot never should have been able to fly it. In small airplanes, merely having an acceptable license is sufficient to serve as Pilot in Command (PIC). In large (over 12,500 pounds) and turbine aircraft, a Type Rating is also required for that aircraft. This is because large and turbine aircraft tend to be complicated, and that particular airplane must be fully understood. What I question, is how this guy managed to get signed off on his Type Certificate checkride.

So, some dopey pilot screws up, along with a few others over the years, and an airport gets closed. Too bad because, once they are closed, you never get them back.


http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20050526X00676&ntsbno=NYC05LA085&akey=1
 

Docknocker

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Re: Being prepared for the unexpected?

Jay - Correct me if I'm wrong as you sound much more knowledgeable than I here - Wasn't Thurman Munson (the Yankees catcher) killed piloting his new Citation, which he was under qualified to, yet licence qualified, to fly?
 

jay_merrill

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Re: Being prepared for the unexpected?

Yes, he was. He was practicing touch and go landings at the time. I seem to have a memory that he hadn't been "typed" in the airplane yet so he should not have been flying it without an instructor.

One of the sick jokes that came out after his death was to refer to a Citation as a "Munson Burner."
 
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