BIG Mistake, will never loan again!!!!!!

[wildmaninal]

My younger cousin asked me a little while back if he could borrow my 4 wheeler (2000 Yamaha 400 Big Bear) to take his girl out for a ride because she's from the city and has never been on one. I had confidence in him because I have been ATV riding with him a few years back and he did alright and he was riding one of my 2 machines at the time. He said he would pay me for the gas so I agreed to it. Well today (11-26) he comes by and gave me the money for the gas.

Well he just lives out back so I drove up and showed him what does what on the machine. So after talking for a moment with him, they finally take off on the 4 wheeler. I didn't do much of a safety course figured he was going to stick to his word and not go to fast, plus the warning stickers are on the 4 wheeler plane as day. We have all kinds of trails around so I figured that they would be gone 30 minutes to an 1 hour and I also figured at worst he would be walking back home to tell me that he was stuck or he couldn't get the machine started after stalling out these were just my thoughts. Well I was wrong (dumb a-- me), he comes back on the machine and comes into the home and says hey man come check this out it aint as bad as it sounds but we had an accident.

The goof tried to climb a hill to steep with a passenger on board and of course the 4 wheeler rared up and flipped backwards. Bent the rear rack in nearly to the rear tire. Broke the snaps that hold the mud flap in place on the same side of the bend. Nearly broke the front break line loose from the master cylinder, I'll half to look at it closer it was cobbed up when I bought the machine. . It was dark when they came back, they wasn't gone all that long but I didn't get a good chance to look it over for more damage. Nobody was seriously injured thank the lord above. And thankfully they wasn't riding the kid with them. Lord I was dumb for lending that out, I have an idea how to straighten the rack out but if I wouldn't of loaned it out I wouldn't of had to worry about it. Hopefully I wont find no more damage. He did offer to help fix the rear rack by the way. I bet she (the cousin's girlfriend) wont ever forget that ride. That 4 wheeler saves me from allot of walking that I try to aviod due to my bad ankle.

You all ever had something like that happen? OK guys Let me have it I know I deserve it , just don't add to much insult to injury.

If you half to move the thread I wasn't really thinking about anything but the stupid human tricks part if it's any count we was about 50 feet from a pond at one point lol, of course move me if needed.

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

Re: BIG Mistake, will never loan again!!!!!!

And that's the reason I don't loan anything out. Not to family, nobody.
I work too hard for what I have to let someone use it that don't care if it gets tore up or not.
They don't have to fix it.

 

[wildmaninal]

Re: BIG Mistake, will never loan again!!!!!!

I'll be kicking myself in the butt come morning time probably cursing myself to when I go out and inspect it for any other damage. I have a feeling that the handle bars are bent also, maybe not by much but some.

I hear ya mindblock, I don't see why somebody would want to deny or lie about something like that. I mean it's sort of obvious that he did the damage, why not fess up.

I hear ya SBN, I don't know why that slips my mind sometimes, and it's not like I loan anything like that out much, most I have loaned out was money or a tool, that is about all I have been know to loan out to friends or other relatives that is. Years ago I was risky and loaned my truck out, I was so nerves and that alone kept me from loaning it out again, my nerves were shot.

I loaned a battery operated saw zaw out to another cousin a while back and he brought that saw back and the saw had a missing part, and I can't use the saw without it. The cousin did apologize for the lose. My father owned the saw before me and he said it was a hard saw to keep together for some reason.

 

[AK_Chappy]

Re: BIG Mistake, will never loan again!!!!!!

I have a standing deal with anyone who borrows my ATV or Snowmachines and vice versa for ones I borrow.

If it breaks while under your control, you pay to fix it. The one time I didn't have to pay was while riding a buddy's snowmachine with him leading on another one. The oil pump quit pumping, engine died quickly. That was a "Schtuff Happens" deal. I would be the same way. A drive shaft doesn't "just bend". Gears don't "just strip out".
I banged up the same buddy's snowmachine, I replaced all the parts.
I loaned out my ATV, it burned up the CDI. Turned out to be a shorted wire buried up under the tank. Not their fault. I had to argue with them so they would only pay half. They still wanted to pay for it all.

BTW, only certain people borrow my stuff.
Do me wrong on it once, and you'll never borrow anything again. Luckily, only had one or two of those. I have a tight knit group of friends and we all let each other know who is good for loaning stuff out to.

AK Chappy

 

[wildmaninal]

Re: BIG Mistake, will never loan again!!!!!!

I hear ya AK

I don't hardly have any friends outside my bunch of cousins and other relatives here local, so my friends are my relatives or my relatives are my friends whatever sounds right lol. They are always borrowing from my father and other relatives.

I didn't mention I don't think they let the oil settle back down in the motor when they finally got the machine turned back over, I believe they just started it right back up.

 

[Windykid]

Re: BIG Mistake, will never loan again!!!!!!

Well, don't know if this helps you feel better or not. My brother fly's from New York to my sisters house in Las Vegas a few times a year. He keeps a four wheeler there for their trips to the desert. Last year thier friends kids were riding it and had a accident, resulting in the frame all bent to he!l. Since last year my brother inlaw put a new frame on it while he was back in New York.

Last weekend for the holiday he flew to Las Vegas. He didnt even get to ride it before the bearings started knocking. I think he as owned it for three years and has yet to ride it.

 

[rndn]

Re: BIG Mistake, will never loan again!!!!!!

Unforunately I've had to take the stand of not loaning anything out to anybody, family, friends, whatever. Nobody takes care of my things the way I do. I've had to replace a Dremel tool, generator engine, and a pressure washer from loaning them out to family and then getting them back broken. I don't understand why the people that borrow the items don't feel responsible for replacing them once they knew they broke them??? My daughter wanted to borrow a tool, she's the one that broke the dremel tool, and I said sorry I wasn't loaning tools any longer. She understood but boy was my wife ticked. She finally got over it but I still think she thinks I'm being a jerk for not loaning tools.

 

[Windykid]

Re: BIG Mistake, will never loan again!!!!!!

Unforunately I've had to take the stand of not loaning anything out to anybody, family, friends, whatever. Nobody takes care of my things the way I do. I've had to replace a Dremel tool, generator engine, and a pressure washer from loaning them out to family and then getting them back broken. I don't understand why the people that borrow the items don't feel responsible for replacing them once they knew they broke them??? My daughter wanted to borrow a tool, she's the one that broke the dremel tool, and I said sorry I wasn't loaning tools any longer. She understood but boy was my wife ticked. She finally got over it but I still think she thinks I'm being a jerk for not loaning tools.

I don't know the situation with your daughter, but you could take your dremel and do the job for her.

 

[rndn]

Re: BIG Mistake, will never loan again!!!!!!

Kids (31 years old) need to begin to stand on their own two feet. It's a small job but she is more than capable to do it and in a financial position to buy the stuff they need for their house.

 

[wildmaninal]

Re: BIG Mistake, will never loan again!!!!!!

I hear you all. Windykid that would suck pretty bad. I took the rear rack off had my father help me straighten it the best we could with a torch and a little bit of standing on the rack to apply some weight we got it half way decent looking. I decided to go ahead and paint it while it's off of the machine because it was starting to get some rusty spots on it anyhow, I have yet to finish that, got to buy more primer. I just wished that cousin would of showed up while I was grinding the old paint off with a wire brush on a hand grinder, I would of said here I need a break you take over for a while.

I thought it was the brake line that was broke but it is the throttle cable mount that is broken, hopefully I can figure out how to fix that. I'm not to concerned with the mud flaps on the fenders at the moment, but the problem could get worse over a period of time and I could loose the mud flaps off of it. It's amazing a couple of days ago I didn't really loan the 4 wheeler out but I asked the father of this one boy if it would be alright if the boy drove my 4 wheeler back after we went to retrieve my truck that was parked out in my brother's goat pasture against a bank (so I could un load it). The boy took it nice and easy as he headed back. My cousin on the other hand in his early 20s and screwed up. The one thing I keep forgetting to check is the remote control for the winch, maybe I don't need to check it because I might find something else wrong.

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: BIG Mistake, will never loan again!!!!!!

'Never a lender or borrower be'.....
Or something like that......​

 

[Nandy]

Re: BIG Mistake, will never loan again!!!!!!

I have loaned quite a few things in my live. A few of them have been damaged but the person in control has always fixed them for me for exception of a spear gun, the guy shot it, missed the fish and hit a water breaker wall. the spear bent. One time I got a evinrude motor loaned, we hit a rock, safety pin broke. I got it back with a new safety pin and a couple spares. Another evinrude, almost the same thing, hit the rock, but this time the prop broke. Replace the prop in my way back to return it. I also dont understand why people thinks it is ok to break someones property and not fixing it.

 

[wildmaninal]

Re: BIG Mistake, will never loan again!!!!!!

'Never a lender or borrower be'.....
Or something like that......​

I hear ya Haut

I have loaned quite a few things in my live. A few of them have been damaged but the person in control has always fixed them for me for exception of a spear gun, the guy shot it, missed the fish and hit a water breaker wall. the spear bent. One time I got a evinrude motor loaned, we hit a rock, safety pin broke. I got it back with a new safety pin and a couple spares. Another evinrude, almost the same thing, hit the rock, but this time the prop broke. Replace the prop in my way back to return it. I also dont understand why people thinks it is ok to break someones property and not fixing it.

I honestly can't recall borrowing anything besides money for myself in the past couple of years now. I don't know Nandy, I try to treat the borrowed item or equipment like it's my own. Heck I have a hard enough time letting go of money I don't have to spend, like to buy that throttle cable for instance i'll probably half to cob job it back for a temporary fix. The Saw Zaw I loaned out and it came back with a piece missing, I'll half to wait until I can afford the part so I can get the saw fixed. I have a hard time letting go of money when I have money to spend much less spending money to fix something of mine that someone else broke. If that makes sense.

 

[puddle jumper]

Re: BIG Mistake, will never loan again!!!!!!

That's one of the reasons i got rid of my motorbikes. Every one wants to play on your toys but when it come to fixing them and paying for the repairs thay all seem to disappear or have no money. In the end all you end up with is a pile of crap that every one else screwed up.

 

[wildmaninal]

Re: BIG Mistake, will never loan again!!!!!!

I hear ya puddle jumper

It surprised me that my father started using my 4 wheeler, he's in his early 60's and has a back problem. I don't have a problem with him driving the machine because I know he isn't going to hot rod it or take risks with it. Although he did give a few young relatives a ride a couple of weeks ago, had the trailer on the back with all the kids in it (the 4 wheeler can handle that and then some), one kid fell out of the trailer but my father wasn't going that fast when she fell out and they wasn't injured in any way. Dad was trying to climb a hill but found out with the weight in the back he wasn't going to make it, so he had the kids get off out of the trailer and then he took and turned the ATV around, when everything was safe he had them all climb back in and he continued on. He came back to were the parents were and told the parents what happened and everything turned out OK.

 

[rob711]

Re: BIG Mistake, will never loan again!!!!!!

i had a friend who whenever took any thing i owned for a ride it was a given he'd come back with just a helmet!! It usually was not his fault 2 stroke dirtbikes i believe to be extremly tempremental. it just sucked pushing a rm250 back through rocky trails...unfortunatly here on long island there is not really any places to ride without getting a ticket or your bike impounded...whenever i've borowed any thing it usually comes back in better condition then i got it..just a little insurance if i need to borrow it again.

 

[wildmaninal]

Re: BIG Mistake, will never loan again!!!!!!

A mechanical failure, I would of brushed it off of my shoulders like you did Rob711 you know. But this right here was a big time lesson for me and the finale straw I guess you can say. Somebody could of been killed. I said that nobody was seriously injured well that is true, but he did get a nice cut on his hand from the accident and landed right on top of the girlfriend from whatever height he came from and she was complaining of a head ake when they got back from wrecking my ATV. My cousin will most likely end up having to pay for some new glasses if he can't find the other pair that was lost in the wreck.

There are certain towns around here that wont let you ride ATVs, and if you are caught they will impound the machine. Weird if you ask me.

 

[thefairlaneman]

Re: BIG Mistake, will never loan again!!!!!!

He needs to pay every cent for repair cost and do it now. If he cant you need for him to let you put a lien on his car which will be removed after your ATV is repaired .If he doesnt own a car ,get him to sign a legal promisory note for the damages and then you can "ding his credit" if he doesnt pay up. If he doesnt agree to either of these ideas it very plain that he intends to screw you. In that case I would give his car some of the attention he gave your ATV and he should be happy you dont give him a "good ole behind the barn arse wuppin"

 

[wildmaninal]

Re: BIG Mistake, will never loan again!!!!!!

He needs to pay every cent for repair cost and do it now. If he cant you need for him to let you put a lien on his car which will be removed after your ATV is repaired .If he doesn't own a car ,get him to sign a legal promisory note for the damages and then you can "ding his credit" if he doesnt pay up. If he doesnt agree to either of these ideas it very plain that he intends to screw you. In that case I would give his car some of the attention he gave your ATV and he should be happy you dont give him a "good ole behind the barn arse wuppin"

I hear ya, but the boy hasn't got a dime to his name hardly. He's in bad health, blood clots in his lungs and liver. I don't even see how he's paying the hospital bill. Total cost of the damage, well about $200 if not more and that is just for the throttle cable assembly and cable. I got the rack fixed but not as good as it was. If I was to take and have that repaired at a welding shop or metal shop I'm sure that would of cost a pretty penny.

Now I'm trying to figure out why it lost nearly all the oil. As I mentioned I'm sure he didn't let the oil settle down in the motor so this would of burned some of it off. I checked the oil and there wasn't a drop in it hardly. the problem I have now is the darn oil plug head is stripped out, you can see where the previous owner took a chisel to it to loosen it. I have changed the oil in it in the past but I don't recall having any problems getting the plug out. I have a temporary fix up my sleeve but for the throttle cable but I can't finish fixing it until I change the oil so I can get it running to see if the throttle cable is affecting the by the temporary fix. Right now the 4 wheeler is hung literally off of a tree limb by the front winch so I can get a better view underneath the machine.

 

[thefairlaneman]

Re: BIG Mistake, will never loan again!!!!!!

I see. Im sorry to hear hes so sick. You tried to be nice and it ended up costing you some money. This happins to lots of people. I agree in this case giving him "the hard deal" isnt the way to go.At least no one was seriously injured.