Black Max 200 bogging wont get over 4900/5000 rpms

tommy N

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I started having problems with this engine last summer. Started bogging at blast. Idles great. bogs under load. Cant get over 1800-2000 rpm unless someone sits in the front. Then maxs out at 4900-5000. Compression is good, checked often. Found bad stator, replaced. still bogging, running rough. checked power packs. all had good spark on machine. Went ot fuel and rebuilt carbs, fuel filters, decarboned, etc. still doing the same thing. My mechanic is at a loss. Thinks we are losing a cylinder or two under load. Any Ideas??? thanks
 

tommy N

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Re: Black Max 200 bogging wont get over 4900/5000 rpms

Please Help. Also have changed all filters, fuel pump, bulb, hoses, no water in cylinders, new plugs. Still same problem. Used to run 6100.
 

KCLOST

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Re: Black Max 200 bogging wont get over 4900/5000 rpms

Does the fuel bulb go soft when you try to blast off? (this sounds like a fuel problem)
 

tommy N

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Re: Black Max 200 bogging wont get over 4900/5000 rpms

I believe it might. I will test it by hooking it up to a portable tank and see if works better.
 

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Re: Black Max 200 bogging wont get over 4900/5000 rpms

I know you may have checked it already, but with everything that you've done, if the bulb still goes soft, it could be a tank venting problem. My dad's boat had a mud-dobber's nest (actually a clump of mud as it turned out) causing this problem once... Also, there is probably a filter in the tank on the intake line... That could be clogged somewhat also causing your symptoms<br />Worth a check.
 

tommy N

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Re: Black Max 200 bogging wont get over 4900/5000 rpms

Thanks for the reply. Just replaced the inline filter. We ran a test with a box hooked up to the coils/power packs that showed good spark from all. He believe there may be some wiring or switchbox breaking down. But hasnt been able to pinpoint it yet. wes
 

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Re: Black Max 200 bogging wont get over 4900/5000 rpms

The classic Bogging down symptom is hardly ever an electrical problem.... If you can run the engine at idle just fine, with no misses or roughness an electrical problem is most likely not the culprit of a bogging condition at above idle rpms.<br />I'm still assuming it idles great?<br /><br />A swithcbox problem will reveal poor performance at idle and all other revs. So I don't think that's your problem... If you have good spark on all cylinders, you're stator, triggers, and boxes are fine... <br /><br />I still believe you have a fuel problem... <br />Did you check the tank vent and the filter within the tank (not the same as an inline filter)? Again, does the bulb go soft when reving up?<br /><br />Let us know.... Calm down and don't replace everything until you pinpoint the cause....I'm beginning to think that it has nothing to do with the motor, based on everything that you have done thus far....
 

tommy N

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Re: Black Max 200 bogging wont get over 4900/5000 rpms

Thanks again. Someone else mentioned something called a trigger. What is that?
 

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Re: Black Max 200 bogging wont get over 4900/5000 rpms

The triggers are underneath the flywheel along with the stator. The best understanding I have is that they are what triggers the switchboxes (at the proper time) to release the voltage that is stored within the switchboxes capacitors. The capacitors are charged via the stator voltage..<br />The trigger leads connect to the switchboxes on the side while the stator leads connect at the top.<br /><br />Trigger position is critical to proper timing so the spark plugs fire at the proper time.
 

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Re: Black Max 200 bogging wont get over 4900/5000 rpms

My wrench said he doubts it is the trigger. He has never seen a bad one in 30 years, but thinks it is the switchboxes. He says go to the lake and run hard and shut down and immediately pull the plugs and check for differences then switch plugs and do again. I also read a lot of posts thatt indicate pulling plugs one at a time till I find one that doesnt change the idle. I tried this and shocked the bejeebers out of myself. How do you do this without the shock?
 

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Re: Black Max 200 bogging wont get over 4900/5000 rpms

Tommy, let me get this straight....<br /><br />Based on what you have told me, you have replaced the stator, checked the power packs with some machine and found good spark. Coils also... Rebuilt the carbs, replaced a filter or two, and also I assume you checked the venting on the tank and the filter within the tank like I suggested....<br /><br />Your mechanic first thinks it's a lost cylinder issue (even though you have good compression), and now after all your money on the above he thinks it's a switchbox problem....I By the way never said it was a trigger issue, If you have spark on all cylinders your Triggers, switchboxes (powerpacks) and coils are fine! <br /><br />So with that said....Your mechanic I think, doesn't know what he is doing. If you want to check the switchboxes (powerpacks) you can easily check them by switching the stator leads from one box to another and see if any non fire issues move from one bank to another (but if you have spark on ALL cylinders there is no need to do so, they are fine). If your mechanic doesn't know how to do that, fire him!!!!... Because you can do it yourself for free....<br />Next, go to an auto parts store and buy an in-line spark testor... One end connects to the coil lead and the other to ground.. You can check the spark easily without getting shocked... Stop the motor and move it to another lead, and so on.... It has an adjustable gap to also check spark intensity.... Start at 1/8" gap...I've heard that a healthy intensity will reveal a 7/16" gap jump. You need to confirm the spark intensity on all cylinders...And consistency... Take it slow, start with 1/8" and slowly increase 3/8". But dont' let the spark miss ground more than a second, that may damage the boxes...<br />Let us know...
 

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Re: Black Max 200 bogging wont get over 4900/5000 rpms

It is very possible for a switchbox to break down under load, as it is for a coil, stator or trigger. That said can you get it to mess up under load on the trailer? If so you can buy a spark plug wire plier tool from snap-on/ mac or and tool truck. If you can isolate the miss to a certian cyl under load we can probably help you. If not we'd all be guessing. If it were at my shop and I had that much trouble with it I would start fresh and assume nothing. Double checking all ignition components including the new stator. A new part can fail out of the box too. You might want to have your mechanic take a look at the exaust tube. From the symptoms it sounds like it could be restricted. Good Luck
 

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Re: Black Max 200 bogging wont get over 4900/5000 rpms

If a switchbox breaks down it normally doesn't repair itself...<br /><br />If you really want to get crazy you can use a hair dryer to heat the box and see if anything changes... I have heard that heat can cause a problem, but again, it's because the box is bad to start with.... <br />But I don't think that's your problem to cause a bogging situation when throttling up!<br />Still sounds like a fuel problem to me... <br />Exhaust tube coulb be a culprit, but he idles fine...????
 

tommy N

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Re: Black Max 200 bogging wont get over 4900/5000 rpms

How do you want me to check the vent? I can hear air as I push compress air through teh fill cap or vent. I am going to try remote tank this weekend. Carbs definitely needed rebuilding so I dont think I was screwed on that. It is my understanding that some electrical components only break down at load under warm or hot conditions? Im learning a lot from all.
 

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Re: Black Max 200 bogging wont get over 4900/5000 rpms

Tommy said:<br />"1800-2000 rpm unless someone sits in the front. Then maxs out at 4900-5000"<br />sitting in the front magically fixes the electrical problem huh???? :p <br />engine isn't set properly? is the cavitation plate<br />even with the bottom of the hull?<br />think max rpms is 5200 on that model, so you are<br />pretty close at 5000. diff prop will cure that.
 

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Re: Black Max 200 bogging wont get over 4900/5000 rpms

i believe he said it startd messing up last year. didn't say anything about changing the propeller. If he is losing a cly he'll drop 400-600 rmp and be boggingout of the hole.
 

tommy N

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Re: Black Max 200 bogging wont get over 4900/5000 rpms

Thanks for the replys. I dont know much but I do know the boat ran great at 6100 last year. Prop was fine then, should be fine now. There is an indication that my jack plate may have slipped up to an inch, but I dont know where it was set before I purchased the boat two years ago. Should I look into that??
 

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Re: Black Max 200 bogging wont get over 4900/5000 rpms

isn't 6100rpms way over recomended? what yr is she?<br />the cavitation/anti-ventalation plate should be<br />even with the bottom of the hull... is it?
 

tommy N

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Re: Black Max 200 bogging wont get over 4900/5000 rpms

I dont think it is way over recommended. 1988 2.4 black max 200. Never a problem til now.
 

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Re: Black Max 200 bogging wont get over 4900/5000 rpms

If you have a jack plate, yes go ahead and raise the motor an inch and test... Raise another if no change and retest...<br />Do you have a water pressure guage to ensure you don't lose water intake? Where is the cavitation plate in relation to the bottom of the hull?
 
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