Blown Gauges?

GatorMike

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On a week long fishing trip last month I blew all my engine gauges but 1 and blew my fishfinder. Before replacing everything I would like to have an idea exactly what went wrong and how to prevent it in the future. I am not sure if everything blew at once or one at a time. I am pretty sure something I did was the root of the problem, let me explain and see if someone can figure out exactly what happened.<br /><br />Let me start by saying my engine tach had been acting up off and on for a couple of years, all the other gauges were in good working order before the trip. I suspect I caused the problem on the 3rd day of the trip. I had been fishing and running the livewell, bilge pump and electronics for a couple of hours. When I went to start the engine the battery was dead. I don't have a battery selector installed (I soon will have) so I manualy switched batteries and started the boat. I wanted to charge the dead battery so with the boat running I swaped back to the other battery. I don't know exactly when my gauges blew but I suspect they were working at this point because I'm sure I would have looked at the volt meter after doing this. Anyway later I noticed the needle on my fuel gauge jumping from empty to full about every 2 seconds. At some point later in the trip I noticed my fuel gauge, volt meter, Tilt/trim gauge and engine tach were all out. My water pressure gauge still worked but I believe it doesn't work on electricity. Also my fishfinder was blown, it is on the same circut my radio is on but the radio is ok. The radio was turned off most of the time tho and the fishfinder was on. I fished the rest of the week without gauges and the engine ran fine.<br /><br />When I got home I checked out the wireing and it all seemed good. I was getting the readings on my tester that the manual said I should get. Then I tested the gauges themselves and they are all blown so I know it is not a bad ground. Has anything I have posted given a clue as to what happened? What I am wondering is if I blew the gauges by spiking the electrical system or if I somehow damaged the engines charge system which later blew the gauges? If it is the later I am afraid I would be asking for it to happen again if I replace the gauges.
 

Yepblaze

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Re: Blown Gauges?

Maybe a regulator or alternator issue. <br /><br />I'd still be looking at a bad power feed or ground to the cluster.<br /><br />Might be best to have professionaly repaired so that when it happens again they replace them again on their nickel.
 

willamettejeff

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Re: Blown Gauges?

Probably popped your voltage regulator when you swapped batteries with the engine running, but then again you didn't state what engine you have.
 

GatorMike

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Re: Blown Gauges?

Sorry about that,It is a 1998 Johnson 115.<br /><br />Question: That is why I mentioned the engine ran fine all week. I was wondering if the rectifier or voltage regulator was damaged wouldn't that have zapped the powerpack or ignition coils causing the boat to not run right?
 

willamettejeff

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Re: Blown Gauges?

Seems like you started another post about this problem in the repair forum. Too hard and confusing to track and creates a lot of redundancy of efforts.
 

amirm

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Re: Blown Gauges?

Let me ask you something. Did you actually remove the battery cable while the engine was running? If so, that is the reason you toast things. Without a battery load keeping the voltage, your positive supply shoots up and kills your electronics. Even if there is regulation on the alternator, you get what is called a "load dump". High current sources should not be switched or you get a nasty voltage glitch on power off/on which can seriously damage electronics (good gear though, sometimes has protection on it).<br /><br />Amir
 

Richard Petersen

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Re: Blown Gauges?

When a running engine has the battery disconected for as little as a 1/2 a second, the alternator controls sense 0 or no voltage and increase the output of the regulator to it's maximum voltage and current to bring it up to 14.5 vdc. At 3600 rpm it can generate 120 vac at its rated current. Even at idle some will easily blow out most electricl parts.
 

GatorMike

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Re: Blown Gauges?

Ok so here is my gameplan. I plan on replacing the voltmeter only if it reads 14 volts and doesn't burn out I will assume the voltage regulator is ok and it is safe to replace the more expensive gauges. If it shows a problem then I will need to replace the regulator/rectifier. Sound like a plan?
 

GatorMike

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Re: Blown Gauges?

Quick update, it was the gauges. Got my new gauges today and replaced the voltmeter. Worked fine and I cranked and ran the engine, read 14 volts. Looks like I am OK to install the other gauges. Will do it tomorrow night. Wish I could do it tonight but gotta watch the hometown boys in the little league world series....Go Maitland Florida.
 

imported_Curmudgeon

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Re: Blown Gauges?

Yeah, Gator, I've seen a whole panel of gages go bad ... and all at the same time, too. No reason to consider a battery switch, you got it whipped!
 
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