Blown head gasket...need help please

getinmerry

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Was out with the family the other day enjoying the nice weather. Had driven the boat about 20 miles without even a misfire. Returning to the launch (at about 25mph @ 3200 rpm- nowhere near WOT), all of a sudden the engine started to diesel (rattling sound like bad gas), and it started to feel like I was dragging a skier behind me. In the seconds it took for me to process that there was a problem and reach for the throttle, there was a loud "POP" and another new sound developed. I shut right down and ran to the back to check things out.

There was no water in the oil. The oil still looks new. No water in the bilge.

I restarted the motor. I could clearly hear the compression was escaping on a cylinder. I suspected that I blew an insulator out of a plug, but alas, I wasn't that lucky. The motor was running smoothly at idle except for the pop-pop-pop of the compression leak. No more dieseling or rattling.

I was able to limp the 5 miles back to the launch and get back on the trailer without incident. I did stop frequently to check the oil for water, but all was good.

I haven't torn the motor down yet, but here's the information that is needed by everyone to hopefully give me a hand:
2007 Glastron GT 185
3.0 Volvo Penta motor and outdrive
125 total hours on boat and motor
Fully maintained by the dealer and myself.
Never overheated-yes I'm sure
Oil pressure and water temp were both good at the time of detonation.
Plug color white/gray on all 4 cylinders
#1 cylinder 120lbs compression all others 155-160.
Puffing (popping) noise clearly coming from under manifold by cylinder #1.
Removed valve cover- all valves appear to be operating normal (no damage seen as of yet).
Fresh fuel was being used with 89 octane.

Here's the question I need a hand with:

When this boat was new with less than an hour on it, it died and would not restart. The distributor was replaced along with the ignition module, and has been fine since. In doing some research, I read that out of whack timing can blow head gaskets and I am suspecting that right before it went boom, the timing went out of whack because of the dieseling I heard and the loss of power. Am I way off in thinking the module took a crap? The motor has never been abused, it's been flawless all season, It just doesn't make any sense. Please help me figure out the cause because I don't want to fix it and have it happen again.

Thanks in advance!
Chuck
 

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Re: Blown head gasket...need help please

no, but assuming one particular thing caused it is jumping to conclusions. check the timing once it's fixed for sure.

Ayuh,.... Agreed,.... I'd sooner think it stems from a lean condition induced detonation,...
Boats,... water,... fuel,... corroded carb passages,...

I've never seen an ignition module suddenly change the timin',...
 

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Re: Blown head gasket...need help please

If its a regular pop pop pop and sounds like its coming from the intake, you dropped an intake valve or it's stuck open or it's broken. Compression test. You say it's under the manifold.. intake or exhaust? The regular pop pop pop is compression being blown out somewhere. Good luck.
 

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Re: Blown head gasket...need help please

Cylinder leak down test should be the next thing you do.
 

getinmerry

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Re: Blown head gasket...need help please

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I was correct. The gasket did blow out. It was clear as could be once the manifold was off. I didn't pull the head off yet because I saw bruceb58's post about the leak down test. I can do that, but I'm curious as to what good that will do for me at this point? I know where the leak is, and I can't build pressure in that cylinder for the test. Please let me know because I will be pulling the head tonight, and I'm worried I may be missing something.
 

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Re: Blown head gasket...need help please

A leakdown test is performed by getting the piston to TDC on compression stroke, and introducing compressed air thru a specialized fitting in the sparkplug hole, then listen for the escaping air. Bad rings or holed piston, you will hear it going into the crankcase. Bad valves, you will hear it coming out the exhaust or intake port/manifold.
 

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Re: Blown head gasket...need help please

I hope it is a head gasket, I've never seen one blow that made that noise, but it does make sense from what you describe.
 

getinmerry

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Re: Blown head gasket...need help please

Take a look at the picture I posted above. The gasket is clearly blown outward. Compression is blowing right past it. I can see it happening now that the manifold is off.
 

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Re: Blown head gasket...need help please

I would skip the leak down test and pull the head.
Look very closely for signs of detonation.
Check the head and block for warping and cracks.
It’s possible that this is a head gasket failure. But my guess is you might find the cause during teardown and inspection.
Clean the head bolts and the threaded holes in the block that they screw into.
Use the proper sealer on the head bolts when you install the new head gasket.
 

getinmerry

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Re: Blown head gasket...need help please

cylinders.jpghead.jpgvalves.jpg

Got the head off. Above are 3 pictures telling the tale. Please remember that we had to drive at idle for nearly an hour, so that cylinder is mighty clean. Overall there's very little carbon at all. One of the photos above is a close up of the valves. It looks like there may be a bit of predetonation going on...see what you all think (might just be carbon is cleaned off). There is no noticable pitting otherwise. You can clearly see on the shot of the pistons where the gasket failed. It blew right out. I find it hard to believe that this is just a bad gasket. I really want to get to the bottom of why an almost new motor would blow a head gasket. I still think the timing went off at the last few seconds before it popped (see my first post for those details again).

Thanks again for all the help everyone is providing me!
 

getinmerry

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Re: Blown head gasket...need help please

In studying my photos, it appears maybe cylinder #1 and #2 may be a little lean. Any other opinions?
 

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Re: Blown head gasket...need help please

In studying my photos, it appears maybe cylinder #1 and #2 may be a little lean. Any other opinions?

Ayuh,.... It's lookin' lean detonated alright,...

show a close up of the block, where the gasket blew out,...
 

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Wow that's actually pretty cool. Bondo is right, I would check the block and head with a straight edge and feeler gauge. Has it ever overheated? Thermostat work good?
 

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Update: I took the head over to the local auto/ marine race shop for a professional opinion. 2 machinists and 3 mechanics took about 15 minutes looking everything over and giving me their opinions. The results are:
1. the gasket was never seated right. They mic'ed the gasket thickness in compressed areas and in non compressed areas. The result was that where the blowout occured, the outer edge was the same thickness as a section that wasn't compressed. That area should have been entirely compressed. The gasket had an issue when installed.
2. They all said that the valve colors looked good. I did mention that I thought cylinder #2 (#1 was washed to much from raw gas) looked lighter, and am I running lean? The reply was that that was typical coloration for a boat motor. The rationale is that cylinder #1 gets the least amount of gas to it because it's up higher than the other cylinders while actually driving the boat. #2 gets the second least gas, etc down the row. This made sense to me because the carbon color was incrementally darker as you got to the back of the motor. I asked if I should consider rejetting the carb. The reply was probably not because it will mae the rear cylinders have issues. The motor was engineered with this in mind. They will be checking it when I get the repairs completed.
3. They recommended Fel-Pro marine gaskets instead of OEM. They said that they use them in their racing builds. I didn't purchase them yet because I was looking for an opinion on them from the fine folks here.
4. I have the head being machined. One of the mechanics found that between 3 and 4, there was the start of some blow-by on the gasket.

Hopefully, this will take care of things. Opinions welcome!
 

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Re: Blown head gasket...need help please

Thermostat was fine, never overheated. I boat in a lake that's weedy in the later part of the season. Always have an eye on the guage.
 

bruceb58

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Re: Blown head gasket...need help please

You need to check the block surface as well.
 

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Re: Blown head gasket...need help please

That's a first for me, I've never seen a firing ring blow out that direction.

I would speculate that the gasket was not installed or torqued properly by the looks of it.
 

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Re: Blown head gasket...need help please

Should have mentioned my machinist straight edge didn't show any problems on the block. Any thoughts on Fel Pro marine gaskets?
 

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Re: Blown head gasket...need help please

As long as they are marine gaskets. Fel Pro is well known and been around a long time. Longer than me even. I use FP on my motor builds never had anyone of em come back lookin like yours but I think yours is one of a kind. You should very carefully clean and check those head bolts. Better yet replace them.
 
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