Boat doesn't plane

CharlieB

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Re: Boat doesn't plane

.........................would it just rev up some and stay there but just never plane? It starts to bog down after about 5 seconds when trying to accelerate then will die unless you pull back on the throttle. .....................................

I suspect you still have a fuel supply problem, the engine is pulling up to the fuel flow, then the carbs start to run low and the motor begins to bog and die from lack of fuel. You pull the throttle back so that demand is less than supply and the motor stabilizes again.

For a test, replace the fuel hose AFTER the fuel pump and before the carbs with a clear vynal hose, run the motor and watch that clear hose to see if any air bubbles are passing thru. This can prove air is sucking into the fuel system somewhere before the fuel pump.

Find that leak and cure it, a loose fitting, cracked dip tube in the fuel tank, bad O-ring in a quick disconnect fuel fitting, these are common faults.

REMEMBER to remove the clear hose once finished with your repairs, clear hose is NOT RATED FOR FUEL and should not be left on the boat.

Did you test spark to see if it can jump across a 7/16 inch gap with a hot blue arc?

If the spark is orange or yellow then either the wires are getting bad or the coil is getting weak. Either will limit power and the motor cannot accelerate the boat.

Test these things before thinking about spending money on another prop.
 
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Re: Boat doesn't plane

outboards are like cars they produce max hp just before max rpm. 50hp at 2500-3000 proberly equals less than 20hp at the prop so the boat wont get on plane. sounds like a fuel issue so try the clear tube or pump get a friend to pump the fuel bulb on your next test to see if that will help. bogging is normally fuel but can be timing if someone has played with it or something has come loose.. another good test is to run the motor till it bogs then turn it off and check the plugs to see if there wet. did you rebuild the carbs completely or did you do a quick rebuild and didnt remove all the plugs and jets?
 

SilverSS07

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Thanks for the tip on the clear fuel hose! Hadn't thought of that before. Honestly it still sounds like a fuel problem to me also- but literally everything is new or rebuilt from the day tank to the carbs. It's been raining every day so haven't got to play with the spark tester yet to measure the arc. Hopefully in the next few days I can. Glenn we've tried hitting the choke real quick and also pumping the bulb but neither help. I didn't completely rebuild the carbs- I got a rebuild kit and it was just a gasket set. I did completely tear the carbs down and soak them in a bucket of carb cleaner for a week then blew them out with compressed air. All plugs, jets, needle valves, etc removed and cleaned. Everything looked good. I set the float levels with a digital caliper per the Seloc manual so they should be good. As soon as I can get the boat out again I'll have the tach and vinyl hose on it so hopefully that will tell something. I just bought the kids fishing poles for their birthday so I guess I need to get this straightened out soon! lol
 

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Ok it was nice and not too hot this morning so I got out the multimeter and went over everything again. Coil ohm'd in spec. The coils in the distrubutor also were in spec with the white/blue/red. Ohm'd the stator but I didn't have a value of what it should be. Does anyone know what it should be between the 2 yellow wires? Got the spark tester and had a good blue spark set to 7/16". Tonight I had time to run down and get some clear fuel hose. Put it on from the fuel pump to carbs and fired her up. I can definately see little air bubbles coming out of the fuel pump. Trying to trace that down but it's too dark out now. I also noticed that after I kept squeezing the primer bulb for a while and not starting the engine that there was fuel dripping down from somewhere. Is this normal when you keep squeezing the primer bulb and not running it? I put all new gaskets in the carbs not long ago and soaked them in cleaner and set the floats per the Seloc manual so what would cause it? Thanks guys! Hope I can get to go fishing before it gets too cold!
 
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Maxz695

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Try to fixt the leak or air. The two yellow wires shoud peg the OHm meter set on 1 K disconnected across the ohm meter scale from my test. Leaking gas means your needle and seats are not sealing and must be replaced. Get the seirra as they have a full brass jacket Thats what I,m using
 

webrx

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I cant hear what your hearing, but you said it sounds like she is flooding out, now this could be that she is actually flooding (timing advance not set right, a cylinder kicking out, bad plug wire, etc), or that she is actually starving (not getting enough fuel). I have seen this issue on smaller outboards when the high speed adjustments are not correct, timing is off or the high speed orifice is plugged. I think that is an orifice (main jet) on the 50s, but I am not positive - someone else on here probably knows how your carb handles high speed fuel flow, may simply be a slug of dirt or the orifice is plugged.

Dave
 

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Made some progress today I think :). I bypassed everything and hooked the day tank to primer bulb straight to the fuel pump and still had lots of bubbles coming out of the pump. Switched tanks and fittings and no change. I sprayed some carb cleaner around the fuel pump and RPM dropped. Took fuel pump apart and didn't see any cracks in the casing or anything so put it back together and tightened it a little tighter and it's still sucking air. Took it off again and apparantly tightened it a little too tight and started to tear the diaphragm by where the screws go into it. Not sure why or what happened to it since I rebuilt it a month or so ago. Seloc manual says to tighten it to 85 inch lbs and that's what I tightened it to. I'll be going to get another FP rebuild kit in the morning and hope this takes care of it! Any ideas why it may not have sealed? I cleaned everything/scraped with a razor blade so it should have had a good surface to seal against.
 
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Maxz695

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aluminum warps under heat and as well as time. A kit may or may not help. Just hope it,s not the transfer cover. then you,ll need that and a gasket for that too on top of the kit and possible new feul pump housing. Good luck with it
 

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Maxz that's what I was afraid of also- it being warped. I held a straight edge to it and it appears flat but apparantly isn't. Put new gaskets and diaphragm on fuel pump today and it's still sucking air. Broke one of the bolts while torquing it to 85 inches so luckily I had one off the parts motor that worked. Sprayed carb cleaner around the pump again and the RPM's drop. Not really sure what to do now. Could I try doubling up on the gaskets? Mill down the cover? I thought about grabbing the housing off the other motor I have and seeing if I have any luck with it. Not sure if it's the same though. The other motor is a 61-63 Merc 500 but can't read the s/n. Also- should the fuel be all the way to where it comes out of the fuel pump? This is about as high as mine has gotten while running.

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Thanks guys!
 
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Maxz695

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I have not seen this type of fule pump with apperently 2 bolts Oddballs at that. If the clear hose is the one that runs to the carb as I think it was stated to do for testing. I would look very very closely at posible hair line cracks at the fittings or the bolt ears on the pump housing. I say this because of the small amount of leaking air into the unit. Doubling up on the gaskets may work if it is warpage a very fine file can smooth this out or a flat surface like thick glass or thick flat metal of some sort with 1000 grit wet sand paper. I would also lose the metal calmp as they tend to bite into the rubber hose with the ethenol and easily punctre it. Cut the ends and add plastics Zip Ties. Check for small pin holes in the line by puting a tight fitting screw in it and pumping the bulb real hard looking for even the slightest wet spot. I would think that much air if any should not be on the pumping to the carb side as pressure from the fuel pump is conatant to the carb. I just though of something Maybe you should also take a good look at the vent and see if there is any blockage. Becuase the line is not full of fuel it could be anything except for the fact that spraying it causes it to faulter at the fuel pump area. This s where the problem lies
 

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There are 3 bolts in the fuel pump- there's one kind of behind the piece of tape hiding :). Yes the hoses/clamps on ther now are just temporary until I get this straightened out. I can't get any change in RPM spraying carb cleaner around the fittings- just when I spray it directly where the cork gaskets and diaphragm are located does rpm decrease. I'll pull it apart again tonight and pull the fittings and clean the paint off to get a better look.
 
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Maxz695

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Well im thinking it,s warped then. It can,t be the diapham as if it where no change would occur from spraying the outside of the huosing and gaskets. In this situation I would attemp the flat surface with very fine sandpaper lightly to see if there is a tilted area. What is the part number on the housing I,ll search ebay and see if theres one on there? Part number 23009 http://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-MERCUR..._Accessories_Gear&hash=item4d0592005b&vxp=mtr the hole sha bang $22.00 before you buy did you check the gasket behind the plate the pump attaches too? This could be the culprit as well
 

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Thanks for the help Maxz. Those are the 2 things I thought of as well. I grabbed the fuel pump off my parts engine and it looks the same as this one so if all else fails I'll give that one a shot. The gasket behind the plate is included in the fuel pump rebuild kit so it's new as well. I'm not sure about the vent- I don't recall seeing one. Hopefully smoothing her out will make her happy!
 
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My best wishes and the best of luck to you i,m totally withdrawn and out of stamina): May the gods of the aqua machanical interupters never ever darken your door way ever again, Happy boating and don,t be a stranger you are welcome here anytime. Remember someojne is always listening. Thanks Iboats for the wonderdful site!!!!
 

SilverSS07

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Well guys I tried everything I could think of. Different fuel pump, sanded and filed everything completely flat and still getting air bubbles in the fuel. I was frustrated and my girlfriend had found a mechanic that would work on an engine that old so I took her down and dropped her off. Hopefully he can find the problem and I'll get to take her out sometime before the end of the year. I'll report back with the diagnosis.
 

fisherguy123

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hopefully you will get it running properly but as another poster said you may be overproped as I have a 14 ft 1969 chrysler tri hull with a 1982 merc and it has a 10 1/2 pich quicksilver prop on it and it ; pops up to plane nicely and runs petty smooth.....no tach but sounds good ....I dont think a 13 pitch would let it rev right out with a full load of 4 people as it does now ....see for yourself here.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqFGW2uQtLo
 
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Maxz695

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sounds and looks great man stop smiling already LOL i think you have the correct set up there
 

SilverSS07

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Hey guys. Got her back a few days ago and took her out to water test today. The mechanic got the fuel pump to seal up by tapping out the holes and getting different screws. Also he found a blockage in the quick connect fitting at the engine- he said it looked like a mud dauber had been in there. Took her out today and found out that it's definately overpropped lol. Runs great but won't plane off with all 4 of us on there. With just me it will plane but it sure doesn't jump on plane! Takes a bit. Off to the prop section :) Thanks for all the help guys!
 
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Maxz695

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Good going on the fitting and also hope you guess the right diamiter and pitch first try
 

oldman570

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Glad its running again. I run a 12 x 13p on my boat that is a 17' alumacraft Mod Flat and it is about right for my 50 Mecr 1970 and setup. Should be close to the same weight as yours, but a 11p would be better for the extra wetght you carry at times. JMO
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