Boat speed question?

jordy1380

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Re: Boat speed question?

If he's going 30 MPH at 3000 thats about right in line with how fast he should be going with a 23 pitch prop at 3000 RPM. Thats about what mine runs at 3000. I think he's got some plugged jets or half his plugs arent firing. Could be something weird like his timing not advancing too.

Yeah I was thinking about the possibility of plugged jets or a gummed up carb. I'm not sure if they ran out all the fuel at the end of the season when they used it so it could have some crap in it. If I take it out to mess with it again, is it ok to spray carb cleaner in the intake when I'm out on the lake?? Or is that better to do when the boat ears are on?
 

wired247

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Spraying carb cleaner into the intake isnt going to clean crap out of the float bowls where the jets are. All that does is clean the throttle blades....and wash your cylinders oil off the cylinder walls.


Not the best thing to use in 2 cycle motors.
 

jordy1380

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Spraying carb cleaner into the intake isnt going to clean crap out of the float bowls where the jets are. All that does is clean the throttle blades....and wash your cylinders oil off the cylinder walls.


Not the best thing to use in 2 cycle motors.

So that's really kinda pointless?? I'm planning on taking the carbs out and cleaning them out this summer along with a water pump replacement but i'm still in the tinkering mode right now. Only had it out once since I bought it because gas prices kill the checkbook!! lol
 

jordy1380

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OK, so I've been looking at some things on my motor. I haven't gotten my compression tester in the mail yet but I did take the air intake cover off to look more at the carbs and the flutter valves. How do you get the flutter valves to move with the engine off or can you? Do you just advance the throttle? Also, I noticed some small valves in the carbs pushing fuel out when I prime the bulb. It seems like only one of the valves on the bottom carburator is pushing the fuel out. Is it supposed to come out of all or just the bottom one? Are those the 'jets' you're referring to?
 

wired247

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You might want to find someone to work on it for you. All engines require a little bit of a learning curve to be proficient on. 2 cycles do too. If you like working on things and learning how to then by all means do it if you have the time and patience. You will learn a lot. You seem to be closer to the beginner stage though and you might get overwhelmed if you want to get this boat out on the water soon.

As far as your questions go... I'm going to make a leap here and assume that the "flutter " valves you are referring to are the carbs butterfly valves. At first I thought you were talking about the reeds but I dont think thats the case as you arent there. To open the butterflies you push the throttle down. The motor doesnt have to be running. If you have gas running out the carb when you prime the motor with the bulb it is because you are overwhelming the needle and seat with the bulb and pushing gas out. May or may not be the problem since these outboards only run on a few pSI of fuel pressure and its easy to think the needle and seat is bad if you pump it up too hard. The jets are inside the fuel bowls and are only marginally accessible from the outside through the plugs on the fuel bowl. Best way to do it is to get a gasket set and needle and seat set fo reach carb and disassemble them, clean them thoroughly and reinsrtall them. You have to make sure they are timed to each other and with the throttle controls. Its called a link and sync and is covered in your manual....the factory manual not that piece of crap clymer abortion.

Check for spark first with a spark gap tester. check the compression , Check your timing. More than likely that didnt change but you never know with a boat you didnt run before. clean the carbs. link and sync.
 

jordy1380

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You might want to find someone to work on it for you. All engines require a little bit of a learning curve to be proficient on. 2 cycles do too. If you like working on things and learning how to then by all means do it if you have the time and patience. You will learn a lot. You seem to be closer to the beginner stage though and you might get overwhelmed if you want to get this boat out on the water soon.

As far as your questions go... I'm going to make a leap here and assume that the "flutter " valves you are referring to are the carbs butterfly valves. At first I thought you were talking about the reeds but I dont think thats the case as you arent there. To open the butterflies you push the throttle down. The motor doesnt have to be running. If you have gas running out the carb when you prime the motor with the bulb it is because you are overwhelming the needle and seat with the bulb and pushing gas out. May or may not be the problem since these outboards only run on a few pSI of fuel pressure and its easy to think the needle and seat is bad if you pump it up too hard. The jets are inside the fuel bowls and are only marginally accessible from the outside through the plugs on the fuel bowl. Best way to do it is to get a gasket set and needle and seat set fo reach carb and disassemble them, clean them thoroughly and reinsrtall them. You have to make sure they are timed to each other and with the throttle controls. Its called a link and sync and is covered in your manual....the factory manual not that piece of crap clymer abortion.

Check for spark first with a spark gap tester. check the compression , Check your timing. More than likely that didnt change but you never know with a boat you didnt run before. clean the carbs. link and sync.

I would agree that I am in the beginner stages for working on the engine. I've learned a ton about the engine already from you guys on here and just reading the repair manual. I am going to buy the OEM manual so that I have an even better idea of what I need to do to check the problems.

I checked the sparks today and it jumps the 7/16" gap just fine for the test. I did take it out on the water again today to look at the rpms and the tach again to find that it only got to 2000 rpm this time and 10mph. The wind was blowing quite a bit at 25-30 mph and there were some small white caps so I don't know if that could play any in the rpms considering the wind and waves do place pressure on the blades of the prop. After running it for about 10 minutes the rpms slowly began to climb closer to 3000 like I got it the other day, but I never got the chance to go on a straight run due to the wind and waves.

I won't have my compression tester until tuesday according to the tracking number so I won't be able to test that until then. Whats the size of ratchet to take off the spark plugs? My ratchet in my set isn't deep enough or big enough to take off the plugs. I still think that I have an issue with fuel because it seems like it would go if it had more fuel feeding into it. But I will get to cleaning the carbs soon enough :D Is there any cleaner that I can buy to help clean all the old grease off the engine? I have been working on that lately because it looks pretty gummed up.

I did clean some grease off of the engine and checked the fuel lines. There is a brass T that connects from the fuel line to the enricher and the fuel pump that I pulled off and cleaned that out a bit. I now have fuel that is feeding through the tube in the picture rather than it just bubbling when I pump the primer bulb. 2013-05-17_14-00-44_984.jpg
 

jordy1380

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Another question that I had was where's the fuel filter supposed to be on my motor!?!? There is no filter from the primer bulb to the fuel pump or to the enricher valve. Would the filter be built into the fuel pump? Or would there be a fuel filter coming out of the gas tank in the boat?
 

jordy1380

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When I mentioned prime the carbs, I meant to pump the primer bulb until you feel gas going to the carbs. After you have the boat in the water pump the primer bulb until it is hard. If you do not have a choke then you have an enricher. Turn the key to on without engaging the starter and push in on the key and hold for about 8 to ten seconds and then turn the key until the starter engages. Don't forget to pull the idle arm up about half way before starting. You almost have to flood these old mercs to get them to start. You probably have the carbs that are factory set(needing no adjustment),but have someone check them. You might try taking the plugs out and looking at the top of the pistons for color.

I tried this way of starting it yesterday and it still didn't start very well and sometimes it didn't start at all so I had to use my kicker. Here are the steps I tried to start it yesterday:
Prime the bulb
Turn the key on, but don't engage the starter
Hold the key down for 8-10 seconds
I don't know what you mean by 'idle arm' but mine has the normal throttle handle with a button at the base of the throttle being the override button. I push in the button and engage the throttle arm forward without actually pushing down on the throttle.
After those 4 things I tried to start it and hold it for 8-10 seconds. If it didn't pop off then I just wait another 30 seconds and try again.

Needless to say, it just didn't want to start! I checked the spark yesterday and all 6 terminals have a good spark to them, jumping a 7/16" gap no problem. I'm going to take out the plugs today to check them but I won't be able to do a compression test until I get my tools on tuesday.
 

MAtkins

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Re: Boat speed question?

Jordy: Please keep us posted as to your progress.
I've got a Merc. Black Max 150 XR2 that I *think* is an '84
I can't find the serial number.
I've found 2 freeze plugs on the block behind the flywheel but no numbers on them.

It *hates* to idle and when I kick it into gear it's a war to get it to go instead of stalling.
I guess I need to check the compression on the cylinders and the spark.
 
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